[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: PR comments on 'Save as

[Tony Anderson]

For those in this thread: a hidden addressee is Utkarsh Dhawan 
<dhawanutkarsh at gmail.com>. This is in error, probably originating in my 
fumble-fingers.
The addressee should be Utkarsh Tiwari <iamutkarshtiwari at gmail.com>.

Tony

On 07/12/2016 12:10 AM, Martin Dengler wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:10:13AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> On 11 July 2016 at 10:56, Martin Dengler <martin at martindengler.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 15:44, Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11 July 2016 at 10:40, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:
>>>> I prefer 'Untitled' as it supports the intent of the alert - to 
>>>> request
>>>> the user to supply a title.
>>>
>>> I also prefer Untitled, although I'm curious to hear why "xxx Activity"
>>> would be better.
>>>
>>> Actually, 500 "Untitled"s are so much worse than 5 sets of 100
>>> "Foo.activity", because (in my limited experience) kids who can read 
>>> know
>>> that "Speak activity" is different than "Write activity".
>
> Hopefully this point is clear.
>
>>> There are literally over a hundred emails about this design decision 
>>> years
>>> back - it was not done lightly. I didn't even participate and I was
>>> exhausted by the debate.
>>>
>>
>> I'm totally confused :) I thought this has only been discussed since 
>> June,
>> for this year's GSOC?
>
> I don't want to derial the GSOC projec.  If people are aware of all the
> previous discussions and designs about save as / keep, sorry for the 
> noise.  It
> didn't sound like that to me.  Keep and something akin to "save as" 
> has been
> thought about and designed in to Sugar since [the original Human 
> Interface
> Guide](http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/The_Journal): 
>
> the principles deprecating "save" and "save as" replaced it with 
> "Keep", the
> "keep button", or the idea of "keeping".  I will be flamed for suggesting
> "Keep" is the same as "save as", but it's darn close.  Some design 
> documents
> and discussions, including the ones with the original sugar designers 
> about
> *removing* "Keep" and/or "Keep As" buttons, include:
>
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/The_Journal#The_Notion_of_.22Keeping.22 
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023401.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023404.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023406.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023441.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023439.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023480.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-September/026474.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-May/031316.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-July/032438.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-July/032486.html
>
> etc.
>
> Martin