[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: PR comments on 'Save as

Martin Dengler martin at martindengler.com
Tue Jul 12 06:40:13 EDT 2016

Hi Tony

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:29:16AM +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
>Hi Martin
>Certainly we can move on and consider how the design of Sugar can be 
>The keep button was valuable, but was somehow 'deprecated' as modern 
>jargon has it.

This was the reasoning (from
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-April/023439.html ):

> I'd lean toward [removing "Keep"]. ["Keep"'s] intended purpose was always to
> be a convenience on top of auto-save, that simply forced a new version.

There is a GSOC project to add version support to the Journal, and check out
the next sentence:

> Once Sugar has full version support, and a Journal updated to take advantage
> of it, restoring the Keep functionality as it exists probably wouldn't cause
> problems anymore.

And lo and behold:

> Until [the Journal has full version support], I think the auto-save is much
> friendlier than the usual prompt-on-quit, with the possibility for lost work.

> It had the function of saving the working document while allowing the user to
>continue working. Apparently, the designers thought this should be done
>automatically, so a button was not needed.

It *is* done automatically, right?

>'Save as' is used to allow the user to open a document and then give it a new
>name (or in most systems, a location).

Yes, and I understand that we want to help users give a good name to their
work.  Right now the user can give a document a new name in two ways: 1) go to
Journal and change the name; and 2) go to the activity palette and change the
name.  Note that this is very much the same modus operandi that many Google docs
users will be familiar with, although it's "the new way" for people that grew
up with the UIs I did.

>Calling them 'Write.activity' is misleading at best.  The item is not a
>Write.activity, it is a document created by the Write.activity which should
>have a meaningful and relevant title.

I agree with you.  Would you (separate to this whole GSOC PR discussion)
support a patch to change the default activity name to "<username>'s <activity
name> work" or something similar?


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