[Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] multiple home views

[Gonzalo Odiard]

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Manuel Quiñones <manuq at laptop.org>wrote:
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>>> After reading the old thread,
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>>> I see there was agreement on the problem, but no one discussed the
>>> solution / workflow.
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>>> I think multiple home views can complicate the Sugar interface.
>>> Overloading the favorites as proposed complicates things, IMHO.
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>>> Here are two other options:
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>>> - A School activity that is a launcher of other activities.  It can
>>> have collections like "Math", etc.
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>>> - Enhace the search entry: search for tags.  Add tags to activities
>>> like "math". Provide autocompletion.
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>> Yeah. I think either of these proposals are possible solutions, but at a
>> cost:
>> (1) something more for teachers to learn (they already know how to use
>> the homeview)
>> (2) something more to maintain
>> (3) something more to design/code
>> (4) not clear they actually lessen complexity
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> And another thing :)
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> I am not convinced that searching by curriculum topic, e.g.,g searching
> for "math" is in line with how we want to encourage Sugar to be used in the
> classroom. A project-based approach is about tools, not curriculum. So, for
> example, if I wanted the kids to make a Fototoon, I'd want Fototoon,
> Record, Paint, Browse, Write, et al. on the desktop. Collections based on
> projects, not curricula, is what we should be promoting.
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> -walter
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>> -walter
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>>> 2013/5/2 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:
>>> > As per the enclosed discussion on IRC, I'd like to get some feedback
>>> on the
>>> > multiple homeview feature request.
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>>> > manuq: I am really happy this feature has landed. I think it is really
>>> great
>>> > manuq    yes!!
>>> > manuq    I think we should do screencasts to showcase the great stuff
>>> that's
>>> > been added
>>> > walterbender    manuq: now that background has landed, I'll work on
>>> > multi-homeview. Also an important feature
>>> > manuq    walterbender: is there a feature page for multi homes?
>>> > manuq    walterbender: I'm less confident on multi homes.. I would
>>> like to
>>> > know user cases, feedback from deploys, and a discussion about the
>>> workflow
>>> > manuq    I fear it can complicate sugar too much
>>> > walterbender    manuq: there is a very important use case: teachers
>>> want
>>> > control over the desktop in the classroom
>>> > walterbender    manuq: so the simple solution is one desktop for
>>> school and
>>> > one for the user
>>> > walterbender    manuq: this was asked for in Peru and Australia
>>> > walterbender    manuq: in Peru, because teachers found the varied
>>> desktops
>>> > confusing, they wouldn't let kids add apps
>>> > walterbender    in Audtralia, they'd like to set the desktop per lesson
>>> > manuq    ouch
>>> > walterbender    manuq: so I think this is actually quite important
>>> > manuq    one desktop per lesson? uff
>>> > walterbender    manuq: I spoke with gonzalo_odiard_ about adding a
>>> feature
>>> > to his share activity to let the teacher set the desktop
>>> > walterbender    manuq: but all of these things would suggest we want
>>> the
>>> > kids to have an independent desktop
>>> > walterbender    hence the feature
>>> > manuq    that can be resolved with an activity.. a launcher activity
>>> with a
>>> > collection of activity icons maybe?
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, anyway, the multiple desktop feature
>>> > deserve more discussion on the ml
>>> > walterbender    manuq: and yes, there is a feature page kicking around
>>> for
>>> > this [1]
>>> > manuq    gonzalo_odiard_: +1
>>> > manuq    walterbender: great
>>> > walterbender    manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ the feature was proposed a long
>>> time
>>> > ago and implemented 6 months ago.
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, i know
>>> > manuq    walterbender: let's open a thread so everyone can speak
>>> > walterbender    manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ how do you suggest we get the
>>> > discussion going?
>>> > walterbender    seems there has been ample opportunity
>>> > walterbender    many emails sent
>>> > walterbender    but I am happy to open the door yet again
>>> > manuq    walterbender: sorry I don't remember the discussions
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, i looked at the implementation and
>>> was not
>>> > very good neither
>>> > manuq    walterbender: so maybe add a new thread with links to the old
>>> > discussions
>>> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: that is a different issue
>>> > walterbender    manuq: I'll post this discussion, with links to the
>>> list and
>>> > we can continue the discussion [2]
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, but is important too
>>> > manuq    great
>>> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: undoubtedly it is important.
>>> > manuq    at first glance, I think a launcher activity with collections
>>> of
>>> > activities can be a better solution
>>> > manuq    so you can have a "math" collection for example
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    manuq, walterbender, right now we have a
>>> configuration
>>> > for the activities a deployment don't want be deleted by the kids. we
>>> can
>>> > extend that to have other collections configured. then we can have
>>> > activities asociated to math, arts, science....
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    and we can use that info to populate different
>>> desktops
>>> > gonzalo_odiard_    (maybe showing different background images?)
>>> > walterbender    now were really are making things complicated
>>> > walterbender    I think this direction makes too many assumptions
>>> about how
>>> > things work in the classroom
>>> > walterbender    let's keep it simple
>>> > manuq    an activity that doesn't mess the spiral, for example?
>>> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: I really think you are
>>> over-engineering a
>>> > simple request
>>> >
>>> > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multiple_home_views
>>> > [2]
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-May/031266.html
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>>> > -walter
>>> >
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