[Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] multiple home views

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>wrote:

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> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Manuel Quiñones <manuq at laptop.org> wrote:
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>> After reading the old thread,
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>> I see there was agreement on the problem, but no one discussed the
>> solution / workflow.
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>> I think multiple home views can complicate the Sugar interface.
>> Overloading the favorites as proposed complicates things, IMHO.
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>> Here are two other options:
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>> - A School activity that is a launcher of other activities.  It can
>> have collections like "Math", etc.
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>> - Enhace the search entry: search for tags.  Add tags to activities
>> like "math". Provide autocompletion.
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> Yeah. I think either of these proposals are possible solutions, but at a
> cost:
> (1) something more for teachers to learn (they already know how to use the
> homeview)
> (2) something more to maintain
> (3) something more to design/code
> (4) not clear they actually lessen complexity
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And another thing :)

I am not convinced that searching by curriculum topic, e.g.,g searching for
"math" is in line with how we want to encourage Sugar to be used in the
classroom. A project-based approach is about tools, not curriculum. So, for
example, if I wanted the kids to make a Fototoon, I'd want Fototoon,
Record, Paint, Browse, Write, et al. on the desktop. Collections based on
projects, not curricula, is what we should be promoting.

-walter


> -walter
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>> 2013/5/2 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:
>> > As per the enclosed discussion on IRC, I'd like to get some feedback on
>> the
>> > multiple homeview feature request.
>> >
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>> > manuq: I am really happy this feature has landed. I think it is really
>> great
>> > manuq    yes!!
>> > manuq    I think we should do screencasts to showcase the great stuff
>> that's
>> > been added
>> > walterbender    manuq: now that background has landed, I'll work on
>> > multi-homeview. Also an important feature
>> > manuq    walterbender: is there a feature page for multi homes?
>> > manuq    walterbender: I'm less confident on multi homes.. I would like
>> to
>> > know user cases, feedback from deploys, and a discussion about the
>> workflow
>> > manuq    I fear it can complicate sugar too much
>> > walterbender    manuq: there is a very important use case: teachers want
>> > control over the desktop in the classroom
>> > walterbender    manuq: so the simple solution is one desktop for school
>> and
>> > one for the user
>> > walterbender    manuq: this was asked for in Peru and Australia
>> > walterbender    manuq: in Peru, because teachers found the varied
>> desktops
>> > confusing, they wouldn't let kids add apps
>> > walterbender    in Audtralia, they'd like to set the desktop per lesson
>> > manuq    ouch
>> > walterbender    manuq: so I think this is actually quite important
>> > manuq    one desktop per lesson? uff
>> > walterbender    manuq: I spoke with gonzalo_odiard_ about adding a
>> feature
>> > to his share activity to let the teacher set the desktop
>> > walterbender    manuq: but all of these things would suggest we want the
>> > kids to have an independent desktop
>> > walterbender    hence the feature
>> > manuq    that can be resolved with an activity.. a launcher activity
>> with a
>> > collection of activity icons maybe?
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, anyway, the multiple desktop feature
>> > deserve more discussion on the ml
>> > walterbender    manuq: and yes, there is a feature page kicking around
>> for
>> > this [1]
>> > manuq    gonzalo_odiard_: +1
>> > manuq    walterbender: great
>> > walterbender    manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ the feature was proposed a long
>> time
>> > ago and implemented 6 months ago.
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, i know
>> > manuq    walterbender: let's open a thread so everyone can speak
>> > walterbender    manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ how do you suggest we get the
>> > discussion going?
>> > walterbender    seems there has been ample opportunity
>> > walterbender    many emails sent
>> > walterbender    but I am happy to open the door yet again
>> > manuq    walterbender: sorry I don't remember the discussions
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, i looked at the implementation and was
>> not
>> > very good neither
>> > manuq    walterbender: so maybe add a new thread with links to the old
>> > discussions
>> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: that is a different issue
>> > walterbender    manuq: I'll post this discussion, with links to the
>> list and
>> > we can continue the discussion [2]
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, but is important too
>> > manuq    great
>> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: undoubtedly it is important.
>> > manuq    at first glance, I think a launcher activity with collections
>> of
>> > activities can be a better solution
>> > manuq    so you can have a "math" collection for example
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    manuq, walterbender, right now we have a
>> configuration
>> > for the activities a deployment don't want be deleted by the kids. we
>> can
>> > extend that to have other collections configured. then we can have
>> > activities asociated to math, arts, science....
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    and we can use that info to populate different
>> desktops
>> > gonzalo_odiard_    (maybe showing different background images?)
>> > walterbender    now were really are making things complicated
>> > walterbender    I think this direction makes too many assumptions about
>> how
>> > things work in the classroom
>> > walterbender    let's keep it simple
>> > manuq    an activity that doesn't mess the spiral, for example?
>> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: I really think you are
>> over-engineering a
>> > simple request
>> >
>> > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multiple_home_views
>> > [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-May/031266.html
>> >
>> > -walter
>> >
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