<div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Manuel Quiñones <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manuq@laptop.org" target="_blank">manuq@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">After reading the old thread,<br>
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I see there was agreement on the problem, but no one discussed the<br>
solution / workflow.<br>
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I think multiple home views can complicate the Sugar interface.<br>
Overloading the favorites as proposed complicates things, IMHO.<br>
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Here are two other options:<br>
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- A School activity that is a launcher of other activities. It can<br>
have collections like "Math", etc. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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- Enhace the search entry: search for tags. Add tags to activities<br>
like "math". Provide autocompletion.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yeah. I think either of these proposals are possible solutions, but at a cost:<br></div><div>(1) something more for teachers to learn (they already know how to use the homeview)<br>
</div><div>(2) something more to maintain<br></div><div>(3) something more to design/code<br></div><div>(4) not clear they actually lessen complexity<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>And another thing :)<br><br></div><div>I am not convinced that searching by curriculum topic, e.g.,g searching for "math" is in line with how we want to encourage Sugar to be used in the classroom. A project-based approach is about tools, not curriculum. So, for example, if I wanted the kids to make a Fototoon, I'd want Fototoon, Record, Paint, Browse, Write, et al. on the desktop. Collections based on projects, not curricula, is what we should be promoting.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>-walter<br></div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span><font color="#888888"><div>-walter <br></div></font></span><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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2013/5/2 Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div>> As per the enclosed discussion on IRC, I'd like to get some feedback on the<br>
> multiple homeview feature request.<br>
><br>
><br>
> manuq: I am really happy this feature has landed. I think it is really great<br>
> manuq yes!!<br>
> manuq I think we should do screencasts to showcase the great stuff that's<br>
> been added<br>
> walterbender manuq: now that background has landed, I'll work on<br>
> multi-homeview. Also an important feature<br>
> manuq walterbender: is there a feature page for multi homes?<br>
> manuq walterbender: I'm less confident on multi homes.. I would like to<br>
> know user cases, feedback from deploys, and a discussion about the workflow<br>
> manuq I fear it can complicate sugar too much<br>
> walterbender manuq: there is a very important use case: teachers want<br>
> control over the desktop in the classroom<br>
> walterbender manuq: so the simple solution is one desktop for school and<br>
> one for the user<br>
> walterbender manuq: this was asked for in Peru and Australia<br>
> walterbender manuq: in Peru, because teachers found the varied desktops<br>
> confusing, they wouldn't let kids add apps<br>
> walterbender in Audtralia, they'd like to set the desktop per lesson<br>
> manuq ouch<br>
> walterbender manuq: so I think this is actually quite important<br>
> manuq one desktop per lesson? uff<br>
> walterbender manuq: I spoke with gonzalo_odiard_ about adding a feature<br>
> to his share activity to let the teacher set the desktop<br>
> walterbender manuq: but all of these things would suggest we want the<br>
> kids to have an independent desktop<br>
> walterbender hence the feature<br>
> manuq that can be resolved with an activity.. a launcher activity with a<br>
> collection of activity icons maybe?<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ walterbender, anyway, the multiple desktop feature<br>
> deserve more discussion on the ml<br>
> walterbender manuq: and yes, there is a feature page kicking around for<br>
> this [1]<br>
> manuq gonzalo_odiard_: +1<br>
> manuq walterbender: great<br>
> walterbender manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ the feature was proposed a long time<br>
> ago and implemented 6 months ago.<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ walterbender, i know<br>
> manuq walterbender: let's open a thread so everyone can speak<br>
> walterbender manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ how do you suggest we get the<br>
> discussion going?<br>
> walterbender seems there has been ample opportunity<br>
> walterbender many emails sent<br>
> walterbender but I am happy to open the door yet again<br>
> manuq walterbender: sorry I don't remember the discussions<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ walterbender, i looked at the implementation and was not<br>
> very good neither<br>
> manuq walterbender: so maybe add a new thread with links to the old<br>
> discussions<br>
> walterbender gonzalo_odiard_: that is a different issue<br>
> walterbender manuq: I'll post this discussion, with links to the list and<br>
> we can continue the discussion [2]<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ walterbender, but is important too<br>
> manuq great<br>
> walterbender gonzalo_odiard_: undoubtedly it is important.<br>
> manuq at first glance, I think a launcher activity with collections of<br>
> activities can be a better solution<br>
> manuq so you can have a "math" collection for example<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ manuq, walterbender, right now we have a configuration<br>
> for the activities a deployment don't want be deleted by the kids. we can<br>
> extend that to have other collections configured. then we can have<br>
> activities asociated to math, arts, science....<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ and we can use that info to populate different desktops<br>
> gonzalo_odiard_ (maybe showing different background images?)<br>
> walterbender now were really are making things complicated<br>
> walterbender I think this direction makes too many assumptions about how<br>
> things work in the classroom<br>
> walterbender let's keep it simple<br>
> manuq an activity that doesn't mess the spiral, for example?<br>
> walterbender gonzalo_odiard_: I really think you are over-engineering a<br>
> simple request<br>
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> [1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multiple_home_views" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multiple_home_views</a><br>
> [2] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-May/031266.html" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-May/031266.html</a><br>
><br>
> -walter<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Walter Bender<br>
> Sugar Labs<br>
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