[Sugar-devel] Free Terminal?

[Rafael Ortiz]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satellit at bendbroadband.com> wrote:

> **
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> On 12/21/2011 07:58 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:
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> It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity" when it should be a
> high-value first-class activity.
>
> Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating.  It is the ony activity
> we offer to really get a sense of how your computer works.
> And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses.  A number of basic
> scripts or instructions about how to use or customize the XO require the
> Terminal.
>
> If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use it, or might
> somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to provide more guidance and
> information with the activity [for instance: ship Man pages, include a
> welcome message that guides people to them, and to a txt version of "Intro
> to the Command Line"].
>
>
> I cover making an activity a favorite with the f3 Home "list view" in this
> short annotated guide on the wiki:
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> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface
>
> Maybe this should be used to orientate students/teachers to sugar (It is
> why it was written)
>
>
>  As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any reason not to
> ship them?
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640
>
>  SJ
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <
> satellit at bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>
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>> On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>>
>> Ok, returning to sugar-devel because I did Reply instead of Reply to all
>> :)
>>
>> Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are proposing?
>> The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.
>> Why do you think there are a wrong message here?
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Then it makes more sense to me to say "once you have learned how to su
>>> olpc, you can use terminal to hack your user experience" rather than "once
>>> you have overcome an obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
>>> terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not understand".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>  Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):
>>  http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf
>> This would require using Sugar Clone
>>
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone
>> to duplicate the live USB's
>>
>> Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso
>>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora
>>
>> The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.
>> I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
>>
>>
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>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready' to use terminal?
>>>>  it's not as though we hide the "delete activity" menu option from people,
>>>> for instance.  It seems to me to send the wrong message.
>>>>
>>>>  Better to have a terminal replacement activity that
>>>> a) shows you clearly what user you are logged in as (in the title bar?)
>>>> b) by default launches you into a new user account ("user:sandbox"?)
>>>> that can easily su to olpc...
>>>> c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in exploring the command
>>>> line.
>>>>
>>>>  SJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the user is ready to use the terminal, can go to the list view and
>>>>> select as a favorite, right?
>>>>> Is not hidden, only is not selected as favorite.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Terminal is currently hidden by default on many builds.  How about
>>>>>> unhiding it or replacing it with an activity that offers more of an intro
>>>>>> to the command line?
>>>>>> It is an important tool for understanding how your computer works.
>>>>>>
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It would be nice to have a terminal that display when first opened some
intro welcoming and links to bash documentation , one of the downsides is
i18n.





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