[Sugar-devel] Free Terminal?

[Stefan Unterhauser]

maybe we finally enhance our terminal with sugar collaboration magic ...
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Terminal_Sharing

or does the actual Terminal Activity that already ...

ciao
dogi

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Rafael Ortiz <rafael at activitycentral.com>wrote:

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> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <
> satellit at bendbroadband.com> wrote:
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>> On 12/21/2011 07:58 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:
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>> It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity" when it should be a
>> high-value first-class activity.
>>
>> Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating.  It is the ony activity
>> we offer to really get a sense of how your computer works.
>> And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses.  A number of basic
>> scripts or instructions about how to use or customize the XO require the
>> Terminal.
>>
>> If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use it, or might
>> somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to provide more guidance and
>> information with the activity [for instance: ship Man pages, include a
>> welcome message that guides people to them, and to a txt version of "Intro
>> to the Command Line"].
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>>
>> I cover making an activity a favorite with the f3 Home "list view" in
>> this short annotated guide on the wiki:
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>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface
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>> Maybe this should be used to orientate students/teachers to sugar (It is
>> why it was written)
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>>  As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any reason not to
>> ship them?
>> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161
>> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640
>>
>>  SJ
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <
>> satellit at bendbroadband.com> wrote:
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>>> On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
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>>> Ok, returning to sugar-devel because I did Reply instead of Reply to all
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are proposing?
>>> The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.
>>> Why do you think there are a wrong message here?
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then it makes more sense to me to say "once you have learned how to su
>>>> olpc, you can use terminal to hack your user experience" rather than "once
>>>> you have overcome an obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
>>>> terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not understand".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):
>>>  http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf
>>> This would require using Sugar Clone
>>>
>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone
>>> to duplicate the live USB's
>>>
>>> Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso
>>>  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora
>>>
>>> The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.
>>> I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready' to use terminal?
>>>>>  it's not as though we hide the "delete activity" menu option from people,
>>>>> for instance.  It seems to me to send the wrong message.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Better to have a terminal replacement activity that
>>>>> a) shows you clearly what user you are logged in as (in the title bar?)
>>>>> b) by default launches you into a new user account ("user:sandbox"?)
>>>>> that can easily su to olpc...
>>>>> c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in exploring the command
>>>>> line.
>>>>>
>>>>>  SJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the user is ready to use the terminal, can go to the list view and
>>>>>> select as a favorite, right?
>>>>>> Is not hidden, only is not selected as favorite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terminal is currently hidden by default on many builds.  How about
>>>>>>> unhiding it or replacing it with an activity that offers more of an intro
>>>>>>> to the command line?
>>>>>>> It is an important tool for understanding how your computer works.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>   --
>>>>> Samuel Klein          identi.ca:sj           w:user:sj          +1
>>>>> 617 529 4266 <%2B1%20617%20529%204266>
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>>>> Samuel Klein          identi.ca:sj           w:user:sj          +1 617
>>>> 529 4266 <%2B1%20617%20529%204266>
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>> 529 4266
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> It would be nice to have a terminal that display when first opened some
> intro welcoming and links to bash documentation , one of the downsides is
> i18n.
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