<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Thomas C Gilliard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com">satellit@bendbroadband.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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    On 12/21/2011 07:58 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity"
      when it should be a high-value first-class activity.<br>
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      <div>Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating.  It is the
        ony activity we offer to really get a sense of how your computer
        works. </div>
      <div>And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses.  A
        number of basic scripts or instructions about how to use or
        customize the XO require the Terminal.
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          If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use
          it, or might somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to
          provide more guidance and information with the activity [for
          instance: ship Man pages, include a welcome message that
          guides people to them, and to a txt version of "Intro to the
          Command Line"].  </div>
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    I cover making an activity a favorite with the f3 Home "list view"
    in this short annotated guide on the wiki:<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface</a><br>
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    Maybe this should be used to orientate students/teachers to sugar
    (It is why it was written)<div><div class="h5"><br>
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        <div>As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any
          reason not to ship them?</div>
        <div><a href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161</a></div>
        <div><a href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640</a></div>
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        <div>SJ</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM,
            Thomas C Gilliard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com" target="_blank">satellit@bendbroadband.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                  On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
                  <blockquote type="cite">Ok, returning to sugar-devel
                    because I did Reply instead of Reply to all :)<br>
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                    Can you explain what is the use case of this
                    activity you are proposing?<br>
                    The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is
                    waiting for you.<br>
                    Why do you think there are a wrong message here?<br>
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                    Gonzalo<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at
                      7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com" target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Then it makes
                        more sense to me to say "once you have learned
                        how to su olpc, you can use terminal to hack
                        your user experience" rather than "once you have
                        overcome an obfuscating element in Sugar, you
                        can use terminal-without-any-help to do things
                        you might still not understand".
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                Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of
                Browse):<br>
                 <a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf" target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf</a><br>
                This would require using Sugar Clone<br>
                  <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone</a>
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                to duplicate the live USB's<br>
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                Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas
                live CD .iso<br>
                 <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora</a><br>
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                The terminal-application goes to root with-out any
                password on SoaS.<br>
                I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20,
                                  2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com" target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Why are
                                    we judging that some people are 'not
                                    ready' to use terminal?  it's not as
                                    though we hide the "delete activity"
                                    menu option from people, for
                                    instance.  It seems to me to send
                                    the wrong message.  
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                                    <div>Better to have a terminal
                                      replacement activity that </div>
                                    <div>a) shows you clearly what user
                                      you are logged in as (in the title
                                      bar?)</div>
                                    <div>b) by default launches you into
                                      a new user account
                                      ("user:sandbox"?) that can easily
                                      su to olpc... </div>
                                    <div>c) offers some initial
                                      welcome/guidance/help in exploring
                                      the command line.
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                                      <div>SJ
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                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46
                                              PM, Gonzalo Odiard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gonzalo@laptop.org" target="_blank">gonzalo@laptop.org</a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If the user is
                                                ready to use the
                                                terminal, can go to the
                                                list view and select as
                                                a favorite, right?<br>
                                                Is not hidden, only is
                                                not selected as
                                                favorite.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Gonzalo<br>
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                                                  <div>On Tue, Dec 20,
                                                    2011 at 3:37 PM,
                                                    Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com" target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>Terminal is
                                                      currently hidden
                                                      by default on many
                                                      builds.  How about
                                                      unhiding it or
                                                      replacing it with
                                                      an activity that
                                                      offers more of an
                                                      intro to the
                                                      command line?
                                                      <div> It is an
                                                        important tool
                                                        for
                                                        understanding
                                                        how your
                                                        computer works.</div>
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                                            identi.ca:sj          
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                                -- <br>
                                Samuel Klein          identi.ca:sj     
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                                  617 529 4266</a><br>
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          <br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It would be nice to have a terminal that display when first opened some intro welcoming and links to bash documentation , one of the downsides is i18n.</div>

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