[Sugar-devel] Free Terminal?

[Thomas C Gilliard]

On 12/21/2011 07:58 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:
> It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity" when it should 
> be a high-value first-class activity.
>
> Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating.  It is the ony 
> activity we offer to really get a sense of how your computer works.
> And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses.  A number of 
> basic scripts or instructions about how to use or customize the XO 
> require the Terminal.
>
> If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use it, or 
> might somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to provide more guidance 
> and information with the activity [for instance: ship Man pages, 
> include a welcome message that guides people to them, and to a txt 
> version of "Intro to the Command Line"].
>

I cover making an activity a favorite with the f3 Home "list view" in 
this short annotated guide on the wiki:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface

Maybe this should be used to orientate students/teachers to sugar (It is 
why it was written)

> As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any reason not to 
> ship them?
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640
>
> SJ
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Thomas C Gilliard 
> <satellit at bendbroadband.com <mailto:satellit at bendbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>>     Ok, returning to sugar-devel because I did Reply instead of Reply
>>     to all :)
>>
>>     Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are
>>     proposing?
>>     The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.
>>     Why do you think there are a wrong message here?
>>
>>     Gonzalo
>>
>>     On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:meta.sj at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Then it makes more sense to me to say "once you have learned
>>         how to su olpc, you can use terminal to hack your user
>>         experience" rather than "once you have overcome an
>>         obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
>>         terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not
>>         understand".
>>
>>
>
>     Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):
>     http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf
>     This would require using Sugar Clone
>     http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone
>
>     to duplicate the live USB's
>
>     Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso
>     http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora
>
>     The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.
>     I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
>
>
>>
>>         On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein
>>         <meta.sj at gmail.com <mailto:meta.sj at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready' to
>>             use terminal?  it's not as though we hide the "delete
>>             activity" menu option from people, for instance.  It
>>             seems to me to send the wrong message.
>>
>>             Better to have a terminal replacement activity that
>>             a) shows you clearly what user you are logged in as (in
>>             the title bar?)
>>             b) by default launches you into a new user account
>>             ("user:sandbox"?) that can easily su to olpc...
>>             c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in exploring
>>             the command line.
>>
>>             SJ
>>
>>
>>             On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard
>>             <gonzalo at laptop.org <mailto:gonzalo at laptop.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                 If the user is ready to use the terminal, can go to
>>                 the list view and select as a favorite, right?
>>                 Is not hidden, only is not selected as favorite.
>>
>>                 Gonzalo
>>
>>                 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Samuel Klein
>>                 <meta.sj at gmail.com <mailto:meta.sj at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     Terminal is currently hidden by default on many
>>                     builds.  How about unhiding it or replacing it
>>                     with an activity that offers more of an intro to
>>                     the command line?
>>                     It is an important tool for understanding how
>>                     your computer works.
>>
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