[IAEP] Sugar Labs Vision Discussion in 6 hours

[Sebastian Silva]

El 16/06/16 a las 23:32, Dave Crossland escribió:
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>>     When I spoke to Rangan a couple months ago, he said that there is
>>     no demand from the schools that One Education serves for such an
>>     image.
>
>     It all depends on your intervention principles. In education, *we
>     see Free Software as the only ethical and coherent option because
>     it enables learners to examine and improve the tools we use to
>     learn*, or do our jobs.
>
>
> As a percentage, how many school IT decision makers agree with you?
I expect few. Generally, not out of malice.    :-)
>
> What is your strategy for engaging the ones who do not agree with you?
To respectfully educate them on the subject.

The point is we cannot be guided by demand alone. We stand for something.

Where there is ignorance there is no demand for knowledge but rather for
entertainment.
Too often people resign their freedom in order to obtain short term
convenience.

We aim to liberate them rather than submit them to technological oppression.
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>
>>         we really need a good OS proposal for those.
>>
>>
>>     Can you point to any proposals that are similar to what you have
>>     in mind (but perhaps not 'good,' as you define it...)?
>     There are many. I can point to:
>
>       * DouDouLinux http://www.doudoulinux.org/web/english/index.html
>       * Qimu http://www.qimo4kids.com/what-is-qimo/
>       * Trisquel TOAST
>         http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
>       * DebianEdu https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/
>       * Minino http://minino.galpon.org/
>       * Huayra GNU Linux http://huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar/
>       * Canaima GNU Linux http://www.canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/
>
>     They either:
>
>       * Don't include / consider Sugar
>       * Are 'all or nothing'
>       * Are hard to base from
>       * Don't run well on classmates [because of drivers]
>       * Are dead projects or dormant
>
>     We propose development of a common /Sugar Blend /as a base for a
>     classmate-class laptop operating system:
>     https://wiki.debian.org/SugarBlend/Huayruro
>
>     Such a project would overcome the previous limitations by building
>     on a common base.
>
> I am reminded a bit of https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DCMDoCYAEVHOZ.jpg
> - especially because of DebianEdu.
> Why did you not join one of these projects and reinvigorate it to
> address the issues you listed?
I did! Most of them were done without thinking of replicability or
continuity. I am collaborating from inside Debian (although I haven't
reached Debian Developer status). You'll notice all of the above have
Debian as a base. Plus it's the only active project of the lot. Jonas
and I worked actively on it last year. Sadly the Ministry of Education
of Peru deployed tablets and did not fund the proposed project. I still
think it is needed.
> In concrete terms, what can be done to work together with him on this? 
>
> Would you want him to send you a laptop? What else could he do for you?
Samples would be nice of course. I would love it if he would commit to
offering Sugar as an option for deployment. It would be even better if
they would commit some resources to making it a practical option. Sugar
Labs should too. I don't think our current software offering set is
adequate and I think this translates into the slow demand he perceives.
No product, no demand.
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Regards,
Sebastian
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