[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] What is Sugar LiveUSB

Thomas C Gilliard satellit at bendbroadband.com
Fri Sep 18 20:20:33 EDT 2009

Martin Dengler wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote:
>> There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or
>> what it's goals (use cases) should be.
> I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a
> dangerous thing to say in the face of the somewhat amusing ambiguigty
> of trying to talk about "that thing whose identity we can't agree
> upon".
> When I say "SoaS" I mean the direct result of the build process using
> a version of the code contained in
> http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline , which I believe a) is what
> Sebastian Dziallas means by "SoaS", and b) what Chris Ball means by
> "SoaS-Fedora".  So let there be no ambiguity about that.
> "SoaS" in this sense is something worked on by a few people but
> clearly led by Sebastien and supported by a host of SL and non-SL
> people.
> If you wish to point out that "consensus of what SoaS is is lacking
> amongst many people that haven't helped with SoaS (not Sugar) except
> by perhaps proferring opinions about how it should be
> built/used/marketed/designed", well, I can't think of much
> constructive to say.  There's a place for that consensus-building, but
> it's not this thread.
> If you wish to change the subject, let's change the subject line as is
> customary.
>>>> I ... don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB to any distribution.
>>> What is "Sugar LiveUSB"?  Is it SoaS?
>> That's my question.
> Ok, so the autistic answer is: Sugar LiveUSB does exist - or rather,
> at least two things calling themselves that do.  Look at the second
> and third google hit for 'sugar live usb' (no quotes). A
I just tested this hour:
it can be used as a CD with sugar 0.84.2 or as a live USB by doing the 
command from root terminal:
dd if=openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=4k
104704+0 records in
104704+0 records out
428867584 bytes (429 MB) copied, 34.6956 s, 12.4 MB/s
you get a live usb of sugar in that much time!
this is still not Soas but "opensuse Live Sugar Desktop on a Stick" 
(with 50 applications)
(cyberorg and nubae did this work.)
> sugar-live-image-built-on-opensuse (I don't know the name) exists.  I
> am certain there are other
> sugar-live-image-built-from-some-big-linux-distros but also don't know
> their names.  A quick google search shows a number of promising
> results.
> "What is SoaS?" is either tautological or confusing.  I appreciate
> that some of the implications I think you want to raise are issues
> that can be usefully discussed but I think if we attempt to fork off a
> broad discusion from a specific and big discussion and cover wide
> stretches of unfamiliar ground no constructive progress is going to be
> made.  So let's discuss precise questions in the appropriate forums.
>> So far Strawberry (and it's variants, successors) is the only
>> LiveUSB environment that I know of that makes Sugar the default UI
> I mention some others above.
>> If someone takes any of a number of other LiveUSB environments and
>> makes Sugar the default, will that be SoaS (but not Strawberry)[?]
> Not at present as far as I'm concerned.  I'm not anybody with much of
> a claim to that name, but I suspect even those that do would answer
> the same.
>> Maybe Sugoppix? :-)
> Heh.
>> I hope that I have clarified somewhat.
> Thanks.  Likewise.
>> Bill Bogstad
> Martin
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