<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Martin Dengler wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:20090918235155.GE27645@ops-13.xades.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or what it's goals (use cases) should be. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a dangerous thing to say in the face of the somewhat amusing ambiguigty of trying to talk about "that thing whose identity we can't agree upon". When I say "SoaS" I mean the direct result of the build process using a version of the code contained in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline">http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline</a> , which I believe a) is what Sebastian Dziallas means by "SoaS", and b) what Chris Ball means by "SoaS-Fedora". So let there be no ambiguity about that. "SoaS" in this sense is something worked on by a few people but clearly led by Sebastien and supported by a host of SL and non-SL people. If you wish to point out that "consensus of what SoaS is is lacking amongst many people that haven't helped with SoaS (not Sugar) except by perhaps proferring opinions about how it should be built/used/marketed/designed", well, I can't think of much constructive to say. There's a place for that consensus-building, but it's not this thread. If you wish to change the subject, let's change the subject line as is customary. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I ... don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB to any distribution. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">What is "Sugar LiveUSB"?  Is it SoaS? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">That's my question. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Ok, so the autistic answer is: Sugar LiveUSB does exist - or rather, at least two things calling themselves that do. Look at the second and third google hit for 'sugar live usb' (no quotes). A</pre> </blockquote> I just tested this hour:      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso">http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso</a> it can be used as a CD with sugar 0.84.2 or as a live USB by doing the command from root terminal: ================== dd if=openSUSE-Sugar-live-unstable.i686-0.2.0-Build5.1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=4k 104704+0 records in 104704+0 records out 428867584 bytes (429 MB) copied, 34.6956 s, 12.4 MB/s =================== you get a live usb of sugar in that much time! this is still not Soas but "opensuse Live Sugar Desktop on a Stick" (with 50 applications) (cyberorg and nubae did this work.) <blockquote cite="mid:20090918235155.GE27645@ops-13.xades.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">sugar-live-image-built-on-opensuse (I don't know the name) exists. I am certain there are other sugar-live-image-built-from-some-big-linux-distros but also don't know their names. A quick google search shows a number of promising results. "What is SoaS?" is either tautological or confusing. I appreciate that some of the implications I think you want to raise are issues that can be usefully discussed but I think if we attempt to fork off a broad discusion from a specific and big discussion and cover wide stretches of unfamiliar ground no constructive progress is going to be made. So let's discuss precise questions in the appropriate forums. </pre> </blockquote> <blockquote cite="mid:20090918235155.GE27645@ops-13.xades.com" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">So far Strawberry (and it's variants, successors) is the only LiveUSB environment that I know of that makes Sugar the default UI </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> I mention some others above. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">If someone takes any of a number of other LiveUSB environments and makes Sugar the default, will that be SoaS (but not Strawberry)[?] </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Not at present as far as I'm concerned. I'm not anybody with much of a claim to that name, but I suspect even those that do would answer the same. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Maybe Sugoppix? :-) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Heh. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I hope that I have clarified somewhat. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Thanks. Likewise. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Bill Bogstad </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Martin </pre> <pre wrap=""> <hr size="4" width="90%"> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>