[Sugar-devel] Suggestion on moving from IRC to Gitter

[Sumit Srivastava]

Here's a relevant discussion regarding adoption Gitter I started about 11
months ago:

https://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055061.html


Here are other relevant discussions:

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054825.html

and here:

https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1357#issuecomment-331543249

Regards
Sumit Srivastava

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, 7:08 pm Sumit Srivastava, <sumitsrisumit at gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 for Gitter over IRC given the recent spam tackling measures taken by
> freenode.
>
> Other advantages have already been mentioned, I raised this concern over
> mailing list too.
>
> It's high time we consider a switch.
>
> Regards
> Sumit Srivastava
>
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, 5:58 pm Vipul Gupta, <vipulgupta2048 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I do agree with Rahul over the change on communication mediums. This
>> discussion rose a bit at the start of GSoC 2018 as well, with many fellow
>> contributors who wanted to apply to Sugar Labs didn't because they could
>> get a response. And yes, its absolutely okay for a time to have no people
>> in the room to help. But with Gitter's ability to hold conversations, have
>> plugins for GitHub and make rooms. We should definitely give it a shot to
>> see how it pays off in the long run.
>>
>> The learning curve with IRC does instill a thing of learning or two among
>> all of us. I for one asked my questions on IRC after thoroughly searching
>> the web and all the resources I have. Since I always knew the importance
>> of  "Software is free. Time is not." Things taking time to figure out, is
>> good. But not when its spent on communication mediums by prospective
>> contributors. They just want to start contributing. And fast. I think
>> Gitter can help here.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:48 PM Rahul Bothra <rrbothra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am proposing a change in the communication medium from IRC to Gitter.
>>> I've made a Gitter Community at https://gitter.im/Sugar-Labs, for
>>> people to try it out. In case people don't like the change, we can shut it
>>> down and stick to IRC.
>>>
>>> Following are my reasons for the change;
>>>
>>> New users can't see the past conversations, which is useful at times
>>>
>>> Many active contributors don't run an all time online instance,
>>> and can't read unresolved doubts asked when they were offline
>>>
>>> If a new user doesn't get a response for some time, he tends to
>>> quit IRC (observation) and it's difficult to look him up and resolve
>>> his query. This *might *lead to contributors thinking that the org is i
>>> nactive
>>>
>>> Since we are diverse, we can use different channels for each;
>>> Sugar, Sugarizer, Music Blocks, Design, Website.
>>> This will make discussions more organised and easy to look up
>>> Implementing this on IRC could increase problems of inactivity
>>> even more.
>>>
>>> D. Joe gave a reason[1] against the switch that every other chat
>>> systems has their own advantages.
>>> I don't mind using any chat system which can curb these issues.
>>>
>>> I am now comfortable in using IRC because:
>>>  - I *somewhat* understood how it works, but it took time to figure out
>>>  - I now know at what time might a contributor come online,
>>>    but it took time to figure out
>>>  - I now know which contributor works on what, so I can ask via mail,
>>>    if IRC doesn't help, but it took time to figure out
>>>
>>> There are obvious workarounds for all these, but then it's better if new
>>> contributors devote 'time to figure out' code instead ;-)
>>>
>>> [1]:
>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055064.html
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Cordially,
>> Vipul Gupta
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