<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Here's a relevant discussion regarding adoption Gitter I started about 11 months ago:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055061.html">https://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055061.html</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here are other relevant discussions:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054825.html">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054825.html</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">and here:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1357#issuecomment-331543249">https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1357#issuecomment-331543249</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Sumit Srivastava</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, 7:08 pm Sumit Srivastava, <<a href="mailto:sumitsrisumit@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sumitsrisumit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">+1 for Gitter over IRC given the recent spam tackling measures taken by freenode.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Other advantages have already been mentioned, I raised this concern over mailing list too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's high time we consider a switch.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Sumit Srivastava</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, 5:58 pm Vipul Gupta, <<a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I do agree with Rahul over the change on communication mediums. This discussion rose a bit at the start of GSoC 2018 as well, with many fellow contributors who wanted to apply to Sugar Labs didn't because they could get a response. And yes, its absolutely okay for a time to have no people in the room to help. But with Gitter's ability to hold conversations, have plugins for GitHub and make rooms. We should definitely give it a shot to see how it pays off in the long run. <div><br></div><div>The learning curve with IRC does instill a thing of learning or two among all of us. I for one asked my questions on IRC after thoroughly searching the web and all the resources I have. Since I always knew the importance of "Software is free. Time is not." Things taking time to figure out, is good. But not when its spent on communication mediums by prospective contributors. They just want to start contributing. And fast. I think Gitter can help here. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:48 PM Rahul Bothra <<a href="mailto:rrbothra@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rrbothra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><img width="0" height="0" class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail-m_-8400387714095146707mailtrack-img" alt="" style="display:flex" src="https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/e8a72b40644c6aec256f48201d8cc9c5d4a33e86.png?u=3420306"><div dir="ltr">I am proposing a change in the communication medium from IRC to Gitter. I've made a Gitter Community at <a href="https://gitter.im/Sugar-Labs" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gitter.im/Sugar-Labs</a>, for people to try it out. In case people don't like the change, we can shut it down and stick to IRC.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Following are my reasons for the change;</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>New users can't see the past conversations, which is useful at times</div><div><br></div><div>Many active contributors don't run an all time online instance,<br></div><div>and can't read unresolved doubts asked when they were offline</div><div><br></div><div>If a new user doesn't get a response for some time, he tends to </div><div>quit <span class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail-m_-8400387714095146707gmail-il">IRC</span> (observation) and it's difficult to look him up and resolve </div><div>his query. This <i>might </i>lead to contributors thinking that the org is i</div><div>nactive</div><div><br></div><div><div>Since we are diverse, we can use different channels for each;</div><div>Sugar, Sugarizer, Music Blocks, Design, Website.</div><div>This will make discussions more organised and easy to look up</div><div>Implementing this on <span class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail-m_-8400387714095146707gmail-il">IRC</span> could increase problems of inactivity</div><div>even more.</div></div><div><br></div><div>D. Joe gave a reason[1] against the switch that every other chat </div><div>systems has their own advantages.</div><div>I don't mind using any chat system which can curb these issues.</div><div><br></div><div>I am now comfortable in using <span class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail-m_-8400387714095146707gmail-il">IRC</span> because:<br></div><div> - I <i>somewhat</i> understood how it works, but it took time to figure out</div><div> - I now know at what time might a contributor come online, </div><div> but it took time to figure out</div><div> - I now know which contributor works on what, so I can ask via mail,</div><div> if <span class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail-m_-8400387714095146707gmail-il">IRC</span> doesn't help, but it took time to figure out</div><div><br></div><div>There are obvious workarounds for all these, but then it's better if new</div><div>contributors devote 'time to figure out' code instead ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>[1]: <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055064.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055064.html</a></div><br class="m_2343706793980077915m_-733239565791399176m_955261696215673164gmail-m_-8400387714095146707gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div>
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