[Sugar-devel] Suggestion on moving from IRC to Gitter

[Sumit Srivastava]

Here's a relevant discussion regarding adoption Gitter I started about 11
months ago:

https://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055061.html


Here are other relevant discussions:

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054825.html

and here:

https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1357#issuecomment-331543249

I'd still prefer Gitter, having used most alternatives to IRC, and the IRC
itself.

Regards
Sumit Srivastava

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, 5:58 pm Vipul Gupta, <vipulgupta2048 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do agree with Rahul over the change on communication mediums. This
> discussion rose a bit at the start of GSoC 2018 as well, with many fellow
> contributors who wanted to apply to Sugar Labs didn't because they could
> get a response. And yes, its absolutely okay for a time to have no people
> in the room to help. But with Gitter's ability to hold conversations, have
> plugins for GitHub and make rooms. We should definitely give it a shot to
> see how it pays off in the long run.
>
> The learning curve with IRC does instill a thing of learning or two among
> all of us. I for one asked my questions on IRC after thoroughly searching
> the web and all the resources I have. Since I always knew the importance
> of  "Software is free. Time is not." Things taking time to figure out, is
> good. But not when its spent on communication mediums by prospective
> contributors. They just want to start contributing. And fast. I think
> Gitter can help here.
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:48 PM Rahul Bothra <rrbothra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am proposing a change in the communication medium from IRC to Gitter.
>> I've made a Gitter Community at https://gitter.im/Sugar-Labs, for people
>> to try it out. In case people don't like the change, we can shut it down
>> and stick to IRC.
>>
>> Following are my reasons for the change;
>>
>> New users can't see the past conversations, which is useful at times
>>
>> Many active contributors don't run an all time online instance,
>> and can't read unresolved doubts asked when they were offline
>>
>> If a new user doesn't get a response for some time, he tends to
>> quit IRC (observation) and it's difficult to look him up and resolve
>> his query. This *might *lead to contributors thinking that the org is i
>> nactive
>>
>> Since we are diverse, we can use different channels for each;
>> Sugar, Sugarizer, Music Blocks, Design, Website.
>> This will make discussions more organised and easy to look up
>> Implementing this on IRC could increase problems of inactivity
>> even more.
>>
>> D. Joe gave a reason[1] against the switch that every other chat
>> systems has their own advantages.
>> I don't mind using any chat system which can curb these issues.
>>
>> I am now comfortable in using IRC because:
>>  - I *somewhat* understood how it works, but it took time to figure out
>>  - I now know at what time might a contributor come online,
>>    but it took time to figure out
>>  - I now know which contributor works on what, so I can ask via mail,
>>    if IRC doesn't help, but it took time to figure out
>>
>> There are obvious workarounds for all these, but then it's better if new
>> contributors devote 'time to figure out' code instead ;-)
>>
>> [1]:
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055064.html
>>
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