[Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement

James Cameron quozl at laptop.org
Mon Apr 24 21:35:54 EDT 2017

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 09:29:50AM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> I do have access to the wiki. However, the relevant pages are linked
> from the www.sugarlabs.org. I don't have access to that page.

You do have access

> I believe the link to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads should
> be at the top of the www.sugarlabs.org, e.g. next to social help.
> While I have permission to modify the Downloads page, I think I need
> help from people who know more about the technical issues.
> What I could perhaps do is prepare a prototype.

No, use a pull-request.

See also the identified issues with the site;

> Tony
> On 04/25/2017 06:04 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:36PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> >>Hey, I think we are making progress! I appreciate your loyalty to
> >>your employer.
> >>
> >>Thanks for clarifying that when I installed Sugar (sucrose) on
> >>Ubuntu I was installing the Debian package.
> >>
> >>My problem with SOAS is this page;
> >>http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. It
> >>starts out by requiring the user to install Fedora to set up the
> >>livecd tools.
> >(a) yes, it's not the best guidance,
> >
> >(b) it's a Wiki, so you are also responsible for editing it.
> >
> >>The pages for Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora are much improved. The
> >>Debian on RPi3 needs an update.
> >Oh, wow, thanks, I wasn't aware of Debian_on_rpi3; what a useless page
> >of links.  I've replaced it with a redirect to the current Raspbian
> >page.
> >
> >But I'm not your Wiki editing slave, get working on it yourself.
> >
> >>Visitors to the sugarlabs site would
> >>appreciate a succinct and current list of supported software (as you
> >>do at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases), the 'Supported Systems'
> >>page was last touched in 2012.
> >No, you've missed that it includes the Supported distributions page,
> >which is updated regularly.  MediaWiki software has shown you the 2012
> >change date of the outer page, not the inner page.
> >
> >You also missed that it shows Ubuntu 17.04 and Sugar 0.110, both of
> >which are post-2012.
> >
> >>I find dd to be a simple, no fuss, no muss way to make the usb
> >>stick.
> >dd is also a quick way to destroy data on a disk.
> >
> >>However, the web page could point to gui tools.
> >If you mean the
> >http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation page, yes.
> >
> >Fedora SoaS Desktop links to documentation from Fedora;
> >https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc/
> >and does point to good tool choices, though it was last updated for
> >Fedora 20 and is dated 2013.
> >
> >Sugar Labs Wiki documentation is more ad-hoc, a mix of old and new,
> >from mainly the perspective of Thomas and Frederick; and recommends a
> >different method to Fedora.  It was updated in late 2016.
> >
> >>The real goal is to promote the idea that Sugar is available to
> >>non-technical visitors for them to install on their own computer.
> >I'm looking forward to Sugar being available to non-technical visitors
> >for them to install on their own computer ... but I haven't seen that
> >happen yet.
> >
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