[Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement

Tony Anderson tony_anderson at usa.net
Mon Apr 24 21:29:50 EDT 2017

I do have access to the wiki. However, the relevant pages are linked 
from the www.sugarlabs.org. I don't have access to that page.

I believe the link to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads should be 
at the top of the www.sugarlabs.org, e.g. next to social help.

While I have permission to modify the Downloads page, I think I need 
help from people who know more about the technical issues.

What I could perhaps do is prepare a prototype.


On 04/25/2017 06:04 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 05:10:36PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
>> Hey, I think we are making progress! I appreciate your loyalty to
>> your employer.
>> Thanks for clarifying that when I installed Sugar (sucrose) on
>> Ubuntu I was installing the Debian package.
>> My problem with SOAS is this page;
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation. It
>> starts out by requiring the user to install Fedora to set up the
>> livecd tools.
> (a) yes, it's not the best guidance,
> (b) it's a Wiki, so you are also responsible for editing it.
>> The pages for Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora are much improved. The
>> Debian on RPi3 needs an update.
> Oh, wow, thanks, I wasn't aware of Debian_on_rpi3; what a useless page
> of links.  I've replaced it with a redirect to the current Raspbian
> page.
> But I'm not your Wiki editing slave, get working on it yourself.
>> Visitors to the sugarlabs site would
>> appreciate a succinct and current list of supported software (as you
>> do at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Releases), the 'Supported Systems'
>> page was last touched in 2012.
> No, you've missed that it includes the Supported distributions page,
> which is updated regularly.  MediaWiki software has shown you the 2012
> change date of the outer page, not the inner page.
> You also missed that it shows Ubuntu 17.04 and Sugar 0.110, both of
> which are post-2012.
>> I find dd to be a simple, no fuss, no muss way to make the usb
>> stick.
> dd is also a quick way to destroy data on a disk.
>> However, the web page could point to gui tools.
> If you mean the
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation page, yes.
> Fedora SoaS Desktop links to documentation from Fedora;
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc/
> and does point to good tool choices, though it was last updated for
> Fedora 20 and is dated 2013.
> Sugar Labs Wiki documentation is more ad-hoc, a mix of old and new,
> from mainly the perspective of Thomas and Frederick; and recommends a
> different method to Fedora.  It was updated in late 2016.
>> The real goal is to promote the idea that Sugar is available to
>> non-technical visitors for them to install on their own computer.
> I'm looking forward to Sugar being available to non-technical visitors
> for them to install on their own computer ... but I haven't seen that
> happen yet.

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