[Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

Tony Anderson tony_anderson at usa.net
Wed Apr 6 20:49:30 EDT 2016

Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased in 
quantities of 30+.
If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device, that can be 
done for all of them at
the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable tablet with a 
manageable price (less than $100)
and can install Sugar on it from a usb drive - it would be a boon.

Sora Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with the $50 Kindle Fire (an 
Android derivative). Her intent
is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend adding the GCompris Android 
version. What she really needs is
a Sugarized version of the WriteBook activity. So far, no one has 
stepped up to take that on. Naturally, the strategic
interest is how well the Kindle supports learning.


On 04/06/2016 10:03 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
> Hey Jonas
> A nice surprise to see you here :)
> On 6 April 2016 at 09:29, Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk 
> <mailto:dr at jones.dk>> wrote:
>     Quoting Dave Crossland (2016-04-06 14:42:57)
>     > On 6 April 2016 at 02:59, <sam at sam.today> wrote:
>     >
>     >> You can install GNU on a chromebook, you can install GNU on
>     computer,
>     >> you can install GNU on some tablets.  Those are the pedagogic
>     devices
>     >> of now and the future.  Those run faster with Gtk than with WebKit.
>     >
>     >
>     > Will devices running GNU and Sugar desktops get into the hands
>     of most
>     > of the world's poor children in the next 10 years?
>     Devices *not* running GNU (and therefore Sugar desktop) are likely
>     devices not in the control of its owner.
>     Underlying question is therefore if it matters that the device "in the
>     hands" of those kids is in their own control or not.
>     Only if it does not matter is it relevant to consider throwing
>     away the
>     work done developing Sugar-atop-a-POSIX-system and instead invest only
>     in developing Sugar-atop-a-web-browser.
> It would be nice if the devices came with GNU preinstalled. Sure! :)
> But, they won't.
> So, how will GNU get on them?
> If the owners learn to love computers, as you and I love computers, 
> then they will care to assert control and run GNU.
> That is, afterall, how we first came to be running GNU. Not sure about 
> you old boy, but I was 16 when I installed my first distro. The 
> learning experience changed my life.
> Sugarizer presents a viable way to help them learn to love computers 
> with the computers they have.
> GNU/Sugar is the platform kids deserves, but not the one they need 
> right now.
> The way I see it, the OLPC strategy of shipping devices with GNU on 
> them isn't reaching most kids.
> Sugar Labs first press release stated an intention to court other 
> hardware vendors. AFAIK there were and are none, and if Sugar Labs got 
> into selling hardware it still wouldn't matter, and would just compete 
> with what is left of OLPC. The Infinity laptop being built in 
> Australia is great, all power to them, but it shouldn't be the leading 
> strategy.
> The SOAS strategy of booting devices into GNU, and offering Activities 
> from ASLO, also fails to reach most kids, cause in MOST cases their 
> devices can't boot SOAS anyway. And as I said the other day, the cold 
> hard fact is that ASLO traffic is down 90% over the last 3 years.
> So look, don't get me wrong. For this year, and the next year, and the 
> next year, the way Sugarizer Activities are integrated into GNU/Sugar 
> is GREAT. I am NOT advocating that we "throw out the great 
> technologies we have now," and I'm sorry if I was unclear in my 
> admittedly provocative thinkpiece; that is simply not how Sugar + 
> Sugarizer works today, so its nothing to be worried about :)
> What I _am_ advocating for is a vision, a mission, and a strategy for 
> what Sugar Labs will do over the next 1, 3, 5, 10 years with the mission.
> As clear as I can distill it, it is this:
>     Sugar is high quality software for children to learn with,
>     especially younger children.
> If we don't meet kids where they are at, we will not convert as many 
> of them into computer lovers as we could. Focusing on the development 
> of GNU/Sugar as the primary platform for the next 10 years is not 
> meeting kids where they are at. Dropping development of GNU/Sugar 
> would be immoral, given 100,000s of kids using it daily. But to get to 
> 1,000,000,000 kids, it can not be the primary focus.
> Only web based software can reach a billion kids.
> So Sugar has to become high quality web based software for children to 
> learn with.
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