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Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased in
quantities of 30+. <br>
If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device, that
can be done for all of them at <br>
the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable tablet
with a manageable price (less than $100)<br>
and can install Sugar on it from a usb drive - it would be a boon.<br>
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Sora Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with the $50 Kindle Fire
(an Android derivative). Her intent <br>
is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend adding the GCompris Android
version. What she really needs is <br>
a Sugarized version of the WriteBook activity. So far, no one has
stepped up to take that on. Naturally, the strategic <br>
interest is how well the Kindle supports learning.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/06/2016 10:03 PM, Dave Crossland
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Hey Jonas
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<div>A nice surprise to see you here :) <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 09:29, Jonas
Smedegaard <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dr@jones.dk" target="_blank">dr@jones.dk</a>></span>
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<div class="h5">> On 6 April 2016 at 02:59,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@sam.today"><sam@sam.today></a> wrote:<br>
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>> You can install GNU on a chromebook, you
can install GNU on computer,<br>
>> you can install GNU on some tablets. Those
are the pedagogic devices<br>
>> of now and the future. Those run faster
with Gtk than with WebKit.<br>
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> Will devices running GNU and Sugar desktops get
into the hands of most<br>
> of the world's poor children in the next 10
years?<br>
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Devices *not* running GNU (and therefore Sugar desktop)
are likely<br>
devices not in the control of its owner.<br>
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Underlying question is therefore if it matters that the
device "in the<br>
hands" of those kids is in their own control or not.<br>
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Only if it does not matter is it relevant to consider
throwing away the<br>
work done developing Sugar-atop-a-POSIX-system and
instead invest only<br>
in developing Sugar-atop-a-web-browser.<br>
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<div>It would be nice if the devices came with GNU
preinstalled. Sure! :)</div>
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<div>But, they won't. </div>
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<div>So, how will GNU get on them?</div>
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<div>If the owners learn to love computers, as you and I
love computers, then they will care to assert control
and run GNU. </div>
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<div>That is, afterall, how we first came to be running
GNU. Not sure about you old boy, but I was 16 when I
installed my first distro. The learning experience
changed my life. </div>
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<div>Sugarizer presents a viable way to help them learn to
love computers with the computers they have.</div>
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<div>GNU/Sugar is the platform kids deserves, but not the
one they need right now.<br>
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<div>The way I see it, the OLPC strategy of shipping
devices with GNU on them isn't reaching most kids. </div>
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<div>Sugar Labs first press release stated an intention to
court other hardware vendors. AFAIK there were and are
none, and if Sugar Labs got into selling hardware it
still wouldn't matter, and would just compete with what
is left of OLPC. The Infinity laptop being built in
Australia is great, all power to them, but it shouldn't
be the leading strategy. </div>
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<div>The SOAS strategy of booting devices into GNU, and
offering Activities from ASLO, also fails to reach most
kids, cause in MOST cases their devices can't boot SOAS
anyway. And as I said the other day, the cold hard fact
is that ASLO traffic is down 90% over the last 3 years.</div>
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<div>So look, don't get me wrong. For this year, and the
next year, and the next year, the way Sugarizer
Activities are integrated into GNU/Sugar is GREAT. I am
NOT advocating that we "throw out the great technologies
we have now," and I'm sorry if I was unclear in my
admittedly provocative thinkpiece; that is simply not
how Sugar + Sugarizer works today, so its nothing to be
worried about :) </div>
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<div>What I _am_ advocating for is a vision, a mission,
and a strategy for what Sugar Labs will do over the next
1, 3, 5, 10 years with the mission. </div>
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<div>As clear as I can distill it, it is this:</div>
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<div>Sugar is high quality software for children to
learn with, especially younger children.</div>
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<div>If we don't meet kids where they are at, we will not
convert as many of them into computer lovers as we
could. Focusing on the development of GNU/Sugar as the
primary platform for the next 10 years is not meeting
kids where they are at. Dropping development of
GNU/Sugar would be immoral, given 100,000s of kids using
it daily. But to get to 1,000,000,000 kids, it can not
be the primary focus. </div>
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<div>Only web based software can reach a billion kids. </div>
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<div>So Sugar has to become high quality web based
software for children to learn with.</div>
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