[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

Tony Anderson tony_anderson at usa.net
Wed Apr 6 05:59:44 EDT 2016

Hi, James

My apologies. I am new to this and have made a lot of mistakes. However, 
I don't believe it is fair to accuse me of 'hiding' anything.

As you know following my first meeting in February, I posted a 
conglomeration of the ideas thrown out as to the position 

At the March meeting, the I18n position was tabled for the April meeting.

At the April meeting, the item was again tabled with a specific request 
to write up the job description and a list of those on my informal 
mailing list. I did that the following morning by writing and posting 
the page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Manager) which has 
evolved to the Translation-Community_Manager).

I sent a notification to the SLOBs list and to my informal list. This 
was a serious error. This email should have been sent to iaep and 
localization, at least. At the time I was responding to a task assigned 
at the meeting and so used the SLOBs list. I wasn't aware that this list 
is secret.

On Monday and Tuesday, I was involved in a personal commitment which 
gave Walter and Adam an opportunity to edit the document. I also fixed 
some typos.

At Walter's request, I made the formal motions. Those I believe should 
go to the SLOBs list. However, Adam and Caryl requested that the motions 
be posted on the iaep and localization lists which I did.

Certainly none of these snafus reflect in any way on Chris Leonard or 
his leadership.


On 04/06/2016 03:25 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
> not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.
> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
> mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
> decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
> nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
> motion.
> I'd like to see some more transparency.
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
>> My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
>> at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
>> really out of order.
>> Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
>> at the time of the motion.
>> Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
>> team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
>> very clear.
>> Tony
>> On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:
>>> I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
>>> eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.
>>> On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
>>>> The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
>>>> April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
>>>> after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
>>>> votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
>>>> the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.
>>>> Tony
>>>> On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>>>>      Hello,
>>>>      I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
>>>>      follows:
>>>>      In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
>>>>      page was about:
>>>>      This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.
>>>>      More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
>>>>      structures:
>>>>      This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
>>>>      coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
>>>>      localization.
>>>>      I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.
>>>>      Regards,
>>>>      Sebastian
>>>>      El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
>>>>          I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
>>>>          I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
>>>>          Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
>>>>          wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>>>>          I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
>>>>          immediately.
>>>>          At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>>>>          I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
>>>>          $1000 per month.
>>>>          I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>>>>          Tony
>>>>          _______________________________________________
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>>>> References:
>>>> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
>>>> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
>>>> [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
>>>> [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
>>>> [5] mailto:IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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