[IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

James Cameron quozl at laptop.org
Mon Nov 26 02:46:14 EST 2018

Yes, the bug was detected in July 2017, but that was with pre-release
software that we wouldn't have had newbies using.  It wasn't until our
collective inaction had matured and the release of Fedora and Ubuntu
happened that newbies began to see it.

Yes, an "errata" could be useful, but that brings the problem of
maintaining the errata.  I've made a start here;


Not all bugs are present in all releases.  The combinational
matrix of bugs vs releases of Fedora or Ubuntu would probably cost
someone half an hour a week to keep an errata article up to date.  If
you're willing to maintain that, thanks!

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Getting_Started is terribly out of date
as well.  So few people updating the Wiki now that most work has moved
to GitHub.

What tends to happen is that someone says something on the Wiki, and
it sits there never verified for years.  Almost like nobody is willing
to verify and remove old information.

At heart, we aren't rowing in the same boat.  Each boat is rowing in a
slightly different direction.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:47:13AM -0500, Kevin wrote:
> Ok. But it looks like this bug has been a problem since July 2017? I
> wonder how many sugar newbies tried it and gave up in the 17 or so
> months since then?
> In retrospect, it occurs to me that if I had used google to search for
> "sugar journal bug" then I could have avoided taking the time to write
> this lengthy post describing this problem, but it just didn't occur to
> me that it could have been a bug before you brought the bug to my attention.
> So what about a wiki article entitled "errata" or something similar that
> would be a single place that could change more frequently as bugs and/or
> other events come and go? Then perhaps all of the various pages that are
> designed to help newbies like me install sugar could point to the errata
> page? And for now (until this bug gets fixed), that might help other
> sugar newbies with the current problem.
> I think a good first place to direct newbies to this errata article
> might be at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Getting_Started (that was one
> of the first pages I read).
> If that would be helpful, I'll volunteer to do it (write the errata
> article and link to it in the Getting Started article). Or should I ask
> about this in another list maybe?
> On 11/26/18 1:31 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> > Perhaps, but the bug isn't specific to Fedora.  It happens also on
> > Debian, Ubuntu and others, as soon as they upgrade Metacity.
> >
> > I'd prefer we fix the bug than document it everywhere, because after
> > the bug is fixed people keep finding documents that refer to it.
> >
> > Also, I'm not sure
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation is
> > current; it has old references to Fedora 24 and Windows 7.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:21:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote:
> >> Oh! Ok. Thanks for explaining, James! Would it be helpful if I added some words
> >> about this bug to the [1]wiki article that got me started?
> >>
> >> On 11/26/18 1:15 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> >>
> >>     Thanks for the report.
> >>
> >>     You're hitting a known bug we are working on.
> >>
> >>     Press F3 key to show the home view, or move the mouse to the corner,
> >>     wait for the Frame to appear, and select the home view that way.
> >>
> >>     [2]https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html
> >>
> >>     The bug was introduced by the Metacity window manager and is being
> >>     tracked in several places;
> >>
> >>     [3]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769#issuecomment-441350118
> >>     [4]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/368
> >>     [5]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042
> >>
> >>     You can take a screenshot with Alt-1, and it will be added to the
> >>     Journal, but it isn't necessary, I know what you've hit.
> >>
> >>     If you know any developers interested in helping to fix this, send
> >>     them to me!
> >>
> >>     On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:04:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote:
> >>
> <snip>
> >>         When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager in F29
> >>         and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" screen.
> >>         After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose gender.
> >>         After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a grade.
> >>         After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at the center
> >>         of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at [4][8]https://try.sugarizer.org. I
> >>         don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it because the
> >>         screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle of a white
> >>         screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal
> >>         is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying
> >>         glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far
> >>         left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white
> >>         box icon with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read
> >>         "Anything" (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select
> >>         filter" with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively,
> >>         then lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward
> >>         and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort view").
> >>
> >>         I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm looking
> >>         at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity icons that I see
> >>         at [5][9]https://try.sugarizer.org.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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