[IAEP] irc logs

[Greg Dekoenigsberg]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Morgan Collett wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 14:19, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 13:11, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So... to log or not to log, that is the question.... ?
>>
>> What if everybody that has ever posted in a sugar mailing list and is
>> against publishing logs explained here how if logs were public it
>> would harm her/his ability to keep contributing?
>
> s/mailing list/IRC channel/
>
> (others made this mistake in this thread too...)
>
>> I think we should not question their opinions, but as a community
>> evaluate how making logs publics may harm our current contributors.
>
> I've always considered IRC as a public medium, with many lurkers who
> may or may not be publishing the logs. Right now there are 75 logged
> on to #sugar, many of which I've never seen participate. They could be
> representing journalists, future employers, governments, skynet...
> Making future, or past, logs available publicly would not harm me.
>
> When I first got involved in OLPC, things were changing so fast that
> typically issues (like jhbuild failing) were raised and resolved on
> IRC and never hit the mailing lists, so I used to read the #olpc and
> #sugar scrollback on a daily basis. I learned a huge amount this way.
> I no longer read everything(!) but often have a quick scan to see if
> there was anything relevant to me.
>
> I think there are three options, going forward:
>
> #1. Publish the logs officially, hosted on a sugarlabs server and
> linked from the wiki, for at least #sugar if not #sugar-meeting as
> well. Explain that no other channels are officially logged in this
> way, and that people are welcome to use (for example)
> #sugar-meeting-offtherecord if they want to avoid their logs being
> published. Or #no-you-cant-have-a-pony.
>
> #2. A community member, whether a Sugar Labs member or otherwise,
> publishes logs at an unofficial location (including
> people.sugarlabs.org, or a non sugarlabs domain). If nobody else does
> #1 above or this #2, I'll probably do this at some point, unless #3
> below kicks in.
>
> #3. Sugar Labs officially bans logging the channels #sugar and/or
> #sugar-meeting.
>
> OLPC never banned logging, but a couple of people asked me not to
> publish logs when I first spun up xobot. Recently I think it was SJ,
> but I can't find the reference, who said that the appropriate #olpc*
> channels should be published as a resource.

#3 is basically impossible.

And if even one person chooses #2, then we may as well save them the work 
by doing #1 anyway.

My last word on the topic.  :)

--g

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