[IAEP] irc logs

[Samuel Klein]

Just to reiterate what I said the other day:

I'd like to have the #olpc logs published.  If someone sets up a bot
to do it, and especially of we and sl can agree on a similar policy
for both sets of channels, that would be handy.

I would include "This channel is logged at <URL>" at the start of
every chantopic, as a service first and a warning second.

Public IRC channels a private place to chat, and quite a valuable
resource for capturing the momentum of the collective conscious.

--SJ


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <gdk at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Morgan Collett wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 14:19, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 13:11, David Van Assche <dvanassche at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> So... to log or not to log, that is the question.... ?
>>>
>>> What if everybody that has ever posted in a sugar mailing list and is
>>> against publishing logs explained here how if logs were public it
>>> would harm her/his ability to keep contributing?
>>
>> s/mailing list/IRC channel/
>>
>> (others made this mistake in this thread too...)
>>
>>> I think we should not question their opinions, but as a community
>>> evaluate how making logs publics may harm our current contributors.
>>
>> I've always considered IRC as a public medium, with many lurkers who
>> may or may not be publishing the logs. Right now there are 75 logged
>> on to #sugar, many of which I've never seen participate. They could be
>> representing journalists, future employers, governments, skynet...
>> Making future, or past, logs available publicly would not harm me.
>>
>> When I first got involved in OLPC, things were changing so fast that
>> typically issues (like jhbuild failing) were raised and resolved on
>> IRC and never hit the mailing lists, so I used to read the #olpc and
>> #sugar scrollback on a daily basis. I learned a huge amount this way.
>> I no longer read everything(!) but often have a quick scan to see if
>> there was anything relevant to me.
>>
>> I think there are three options, going forward:
>>
>> #1. Publish the logs officially, hosted on a sugarlabs server and
>> linked from the wiki, for at least #sugar if not #sugar-meeting as
>> well. Explain that no other channels are officially logged in this
>> way, and that people are welcome to use (for example)
>> #sugar-meeting-offtherecord if they want to avoid their logs being
>> published. Or #no-you-cant-have-a-pony.
>>
>> #2. A community member, whether a Sugar Labs member or otherwise,
>> publishes logs at an unofficial location (including
>> people.sugarlabs.org, or a non sugarlabs domain). If nobody else does
>> #1 above or this #2, I'll probably do this at some point, unless #3
>> below kicks in.
>>
>> #3. Sugar Labs officially bans logging the channels #sugar and/or
>> #sugar-meeting.
>>
>> OLPC never banned logging, but a couple of people asked me not to
>> publish logs when I first spun up xobot. Recently I think it was SJ,
>> but I can't find the reference, who said that the appropriate #olpc*
>> channels should be published as a resource.
>
> #3 is basically impossible.
>
> And if even one person chooses #2, then we may as well save them the work
> by doing #1 anyway.
>
> My last word on the topic.  :)
>
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