[Sugar-devel] Maintaining the sugar-live-build

Chihurumnaya Ibiam ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com
Tue Oct 27 12:27:58 EDT 2020

I agree with what you said and not supporting 32bit systems makes us only
on a particular set of users and ignoring the other set.

I'm glad you've decided to do this and I'll help whatever way I can. Thanks.


Ibiam Chihurumnaya
ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 4:06 PM Martin Guy <martinwguy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26/10/2020, Chihurumnaya Ibiam <ibiamchihurumnaya at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Fedora Soas boots into a lightdm login screen without ever telling you
> >> that the required username is "liveuser".
> > Yes there's a discussion for the bug here [...]
> Thanks for that
> > I don't know how to build SOAS images yet but you
> > can find F29 SOAS here
> > <
> https://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora-secondary/releases/29/Spins/i386/iso/
> >,
> > which supports 32-bit as you said Fedora no longer supports 32-bit.
> Yes, mandating 64 bit systems is a disappointing trend. Ubuntu's
> last32-bit LTS was in 2016, Redhat in
> Me, I think the CPu manufacturers are bribing the distro maintainers
> to make old hardware unusable to encourage people to buy new, but then
> I'm old and cynical :) It's more likely that frontline developers are
> surrounded by monster machines and don't believe anyone has crappy old
> rubbish any more.
>   I had similar battles with the Debian ARM crowd, who were anxious to
> srop support of armv4 in favour of armv5, just to be able to use the
> Count Leading Zeros instruction, but thereby wiping out the cheapest
> and most needy target machines. Similarly, the first Debian ARM
> hard-float port targetted VFPv7, and as a result the Raspberry Pi
> project had to no option but to make an entire new Debian repository
> and recompile everything for VFPv6, a huge waste of time caused by one
> silly decision... and this from developers of the "Universal Operating
> System"!
>   In the case of Sugar, enabling the widest deployment on the cheapest
> machines with the least user effort seems to achieve its goals more
> than giving a few percent of extra speed to power users.
>   However, providing both 32- and 64- bit images is an acceptable
> compromise.
> > I think that if you want to make 32-bit images it'll be for your own use
> See above. When *you* live in a poor area and people keep bringing you
> ancient laptops that they've found in the rubbish, maybe you'll think
> differently.
> I'm a seasoned developer and building my own images is fairly
> straightforward, but most people don't know how to write an ISO image
> to a USB stick; maybe to a CD if they are techies.
> > I agree with James re [not, I presume] including more activities
> Yes, SLB is written by and for developers and for advanced users, it
> seems to me; instead of being a distro ni itself but a meta-distro: a
> kit for creating custom distributions. In this light, keeping it
> minimal does make sense.
> What I was looking for was the easiest way to put a well-furnished
> Sugar on an old laptop with the least effort, to be able to evaluate
> it as a solution to offer to normal people, to make the luminary work
> of Papert, Negroponte et al more of a social reality instead of having
> every UI be, essentially, a worse version of Xerox PARC in the 70's.
> What I found is that nothing works. I'd expected something of the
> quality of the Morphix Combined Gamer live CD (2004!); instead I found
> only one that had promise, and that needed more effort from me than I
> had expected. Imagine the experience of a normal user trying to
> achieve my goal: disappointment and abandon of Sugar as unusable,
> which goes against the goal of its diffusion.
> However, making available well.furnished images worldwide with the
> publicity for them that sugarlabs has in this field accomplished my
> goal, not in my area but worldwide, and that's worth the relatively
> small amount of work that seems necessary to achieve that.
> As well as the honour, of course!
> Does that make any sense?
>    M
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