[Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow

[samson goddy]

okay, i got a mail from Facebook and twitter page. There is another way of getting the account verified without embedding. I know understand it. Thanks 

> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:33:51 +1100
> From: quozl at laptop.org
> To: samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> CC: sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org; dwgipk at gmail.com; sam at sam.today; marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow
> 
> Thanks for the response.
> 
> My vote is also no; Sugar Labs should not give other organisations an
> unrestricted and unreviewed code execution path for machines under the
> control of children, parents, or teachers.
> 
> Not even OLPC has that right.  Sugar Labs always reviews code
> contributions from OLPC in comprehensive detail.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:19:15PM +0100, samson goddy wrote:
> > You got it all wrong. The question you should ask is that why is Sugar Labs
> > organization  and OLPC is using facebook and twitter? why create an account
> > with them? for me, the reason is to boost the knowledge of what SugarLabs or
> > OLPC is having e.g like a camp just like OLPC san francisco and the rest. Take
> > a look at Ubuntu Community for a start same with KDE, Gnome and the rest they
> > are very strong with the social media. If am not mistaken the social help is
> > been use by sugar users what then happens to the non-sugar users?. Adding a
> > link for a like button in our site only promote our facebook page and also so
> > we can have a verified profile in other to reduce scam and the rest of social
> > problems. I have been handling Sugar Labs facebook page so i know what i am
> > saying.
> > 
> >  We have about 3 million users at Sugar OS? Are we going to stop at that number
> > or get more users? facebook have more than 1.8 billion users, using facebook
> > page only get us more users not all people knows about sugar. Getting more
> > developers is good that why we participates in GCI and GSOC.  the reasons why i
> > wants the like button of both twitter and facebook is to get your Sugar Labs
> > page verified like Ubuntu and Celebrity pages. now the benefit of that are:
> > 
> > 1. Facebook gives you online live streaming: How does that concern sugar? for
> > example OLPC SF workshop it can be stream live to other pontential users who
> > can't afford coming to SF for the workshop they can just sit at home and watch
> > this probably get kids to watch.
> > 
> > 2. It attracts more users to the community via facebook page and twitter.
> > 
> > 3. Q/A: how does that concern sugar?, users like me hate sending messages to
> > facebook pages to ask for something about the brand(sugarOS). If there is Q/A
> > its attracts more people to get to know Sugar Labs  via facebook before getting
> > the OS.
> > 
> > 4. Security: Facebook or Twitter gives you access to news feeds in you wall,
> > Facebook should be able to know what i am saying.
> > 
> > 5. Locations matters: So we can know who our users are into other to make them
> > understand sugar e.g localizing languages.
> > 
> > Note: we just have about 600 people on our Facebook page and less than 700 on
> > both our twitter accounts out of 3 million users. That is very poor and not
> > encouraging. If you still think we still promotes this social networks, i
> > suggest we take our facebook page down and twitter page too. And we will see
> > how that is going to affect the community. Let us choice wisely, For me we are
> > the only non-profit org. Falling backs when it comes to users. Take a look at
> > our activity pages, click on popular activities. *weekly downloads is falling
> > like the price of crude oil. You have to consider this factors
> > 
> > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
> > From: sam at sam.today
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:35:49 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow
> > To: samsongoddy at hotmail.com; quozl at laptop.org; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org;
> > marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org; dwgipk at gmail.com; walter at sugarlabs.org
> > 
> > Hi Samson,
> > 
> > I think that you missed the point of what James said.  Facebook engages in lots
> > of tracking and questionable business practices, see the Stallman article on
> > this subject [1].  Maybe adding a link could be acceptable (however do we want
> > to send the message that we endorse facebook?), but I would be against adding a
> > "like button" - which allows facebook to run whatever code they want on our
> > page.
> > 
> > Also, why do we want Q&A on Facebook?  We already have social help, which is
> > arguably a platform better suited to hosting discourse (infact it uses a
> > software package called discourse which specialises in just that).  Social help
> > is also embedded in Sugar, whereas facebook is not.  Even if facebook was a
> > slightly better service for this, we are then allowing facebook control over
> > our communications with our users.  We are putting a lot of trust in an
> > for-profit company, which produces non-free software (ethically opposite to
> > Sugar) and allowing them to censor all of our communications with users.  I'm
> > not cool with that.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
> > 
> > [1]  [1]https://stallman.org/facebook.html
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:59 PM samson goddy <[2]samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >     Sure that it helps track users location to know where your followers are
> >     coming from. Also its enables Question and Answers, live streaming in case
> >     we have some related sugar workshop. Attracts users to your page. lots more
> >     features
> > 
> >     > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:44:57 +1100
> >     > From: [3]quozl at laptop.org
> >     > To: [4]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> >     > CC: [5]samparkinson3 at gmail.com; [6]marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org; [7]
> >     sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org; [8]dwgipk at gmail.com
> >     > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook
> >     follow
> > 
> >     >
> >     > Interesting idea.
> >     >
> >     > What is the privacy impact? Will a content element like this make it
> >     > possible for Twitter or Facebook to track our visitors? Is that
> >     > tracking consistent with Sugar Labs own policies on privacy? Will
> >     > Sugar Labs have a contract with Twitter or Facebook, or is the
> >     > relationship standard terms and conditions?
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:31:00AM +0100, samson goddy wrote:
> >     > > Hello,
> >     > >
> >     > > I am letting the community to know that, I am seeking to get a verified
> >     profile
> >     > > for both of our account in twitter and facebook. It looks like one of
> >     the steps
> >     > > is embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow in our official
> >     website in
> >     > > order to get verified. So i am requesting the developers to enable this
> >     on the
> >     > > our home page and probably on the sugar labs wiki.
> >     > >
> >     > > Thanks
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > James Cameron
> >     > [9]http://quozl.netrek.org/
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> > 
> > References:
> > 
> > [1] https://stallman.org/facebook.html
> > [2] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [3] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [4] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> > [5] mailto:samparkinson3 at gmail.com
> > [6] mailto:marketing at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [7] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [8] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
> > [9] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > [10] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [11] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> 
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