<html> <head> <style></style></head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>okay, i got a mail from Facebook and twitter page. There is another way of getting the account verified without embedding. I know understand it. Thanks <div>> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:33:51 +1100 > From: quozl@laptop.org > To: samsongoddy@hotmail.com > CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwgipk@gmail.com; sam@sam.today; marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow > > Thanks for the response. > > My vote is also no; Sugar Labs should not give other organisations an > unrestricted and unreviewed code execution path for machines under the > control of children, parents, or teachers. > > Not even OLPC has that right. Sugar Labs always reviews code > contributions from OLPC in comprehensive detail. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:19:15PM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > > You got it all wrong. The question you should ask is that why is Sugar Labs > > organization and OLPC is using facebook and twitter? why create an account > > with them? for me, the reason is to boost the knowledge of what SugarLabs or > > OLPC is having e.g like a camp just like OLPC san francisco and the rest. Take > > a look at Ubuntu Community for a start same with KDE, Gnome and the rest they > > are very strong with the social media. If am not mistaken the social help is > > been use by sugar users what then happens to the non-sugar users?. Adding a > > link for a like button in our site only promote our facebook page and also so > > we can have a verified profile in other to reduce scam and the rest of social > > problems. I have been handling Sugar Labs facebook page so i know what i am > > saying. > > > > We have about 3 million users at Sugar OS? Are we going to stop at that number > > or get more users? facebook have more than 1.8 billion users, using facebook > > page only get us more users not all people knows about sugar. Getting more > > developers is good that why we participates in GCI and GSOC. the reasons why i > > wants the like button of both twitter and facebook is to get your Sugar Labs > > page verified like Ubuntu and Celebrity pages. now the benefit of that are: > > > > 1. Facebook gives you online live streaming: How does that concern sugar? for > > example OLPC SF workshop it can be stream live to other pontential users who > > can't afford coming to SF for the workshop they can just sit at home and watch > > this probably get kids to watch. > > > > 2. It attracts more users to the community via facebook page and twitter. > > > > 3. Q/A: how does that concern sugar?, users like me hate sending messages to > > facebook pages to ask for something about the brand(sugarOS). If there is Q/A > > its attracts more people to get to know Sugar Labs via facebook before getting > > the OS. > > > > 4. Security: Facebook or Twitter gives you access to news feeds in you wall, > > Facebook should be able to know what i am saying. > > > > 5. Locations matters: So we can know who our users are into other to make them > > understand sugar e.g localizing languages. > > > > Note: we just have about 600 people on our Facebook page and less than 700 on > > both our twitter accounts out of 3 million users. That is very poor and not > > encouraging. If you still think we still promotes this social networks, i > > suggest we take our facebook page down and twitter page too. And we will see > > how that is going to affect the community. Let us choice wisely, For me we are > > the only non-profit org. Falling backs when it comes to users. Take a look at > > our activity pages, click on popular activities. *weekly downloads is falling > > like the price of crude oil. You have to consider this factors > > > > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > > From: sam@sam.today > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:35:49 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter "Follow" and facebook follow > > To: samsongoddy@hotmail.com; quozl@laptop.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; > > marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org; dwgipk@gmail.com; walter@sugarlabs.org > > > > Hi Samson, > > > > I think that you missed the point of what James said. Facebook engages in lots > > of tracking and questionable business practices, see the Stallman article on > > this subject [1]. Maybe adding a link could be acceptable (however do we want > > to send the message that we endorse facebook?), but I would be against adding a > > "like button" - which allows facebook to run whatever code they want on our > > page. > > > > Also, why do we want Q&A on Facebook? We already have social help, which is > > arguably a platform better suited to hosting discourse (infact it uses a > > software package called discourse which specialises in just that). Social help > > is also embedded in Sugar, whereas facebook is not. Even if facebook was a > > slightly better service for this, we are then allowing facebook control over > > our communications with our users. We are putting a lot of trust in an > > for-profit company, which produces non-free software (ethically opposite to > > Sugar) and allowing them to censor all of our communications with users. I'm > > not cool with that. > > > > Thanks, > > Sam > > > > [1] [1]https://stallman.org/facebook.html > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:59 PM samson goddy <[2]samsongoddy@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Sure that it helps track users location to know where your followers are > > coming from. Also its enables Question and Answers, live streaming in case > > we have some related sugar workshop. Attracts users to your page. lots more > > features > > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:44:57 +1100 > > > From: [3]quozl@laptop.org > > > To: [4]samsongoddy@hotmail.com > > > CC: [5]samparkinson3@gmail.com; [6]marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org; [7] > > sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; [8]dwgipk@gmail.com > > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook > > follow > > > > > > > > Interesting idea. > > > > > > What is the privacy impact? Will a content element like this make it > > > possible for Twitter or Facebook to track our visitors? Is that > > > tracking consistent with Sugar Labs own policies on privacy? Will > > > Sugar Labs have a contract with Twitter or Facebook, or is the > > > relationship standard terms and conditions? > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:31:00AM +0100, samson goddy wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am letting the community to know that, I am seeking to get a verified > > profile > > > > for both of our account in twitter and facebook. It looks like one of > > the steps > > > > is embedding a Twitter “Follow” and facebook follow in our official > > website in > > > > order to get verified. So i am requesting the developers to enable this > > on the > > > > our home page and probably on the sugar labs wiki. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > -- > > > James Cameron > > > [9]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > [10]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > [11]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > References: > > > > [1] https://stallman.org/facebook.html > > [2] mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com > > [3] mailto:quozl@laptop.org > > [4] mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com > > [5] mailto:samparkinson3@gmail.com > > [6] mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [7] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [8] mailto:dwgipk@gmail.com > > [9] http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > [10] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [11] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel </div> </div></body> </html>