[Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] multiple home views

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Manuel Quiñones <manuq at laptop.org> wrote:

> After reading the old thread,
>
> I see there was agreement on the problem, but no one discussed the
> solution / workflow.
>
> I think multiple home views can complicate the Sugar interface.
> Overloading the favorites as proposed complicates things, IMHO.
>
> Here are two other options:
>
> - A School activity that is a launcher of other activities.  It can
> have collections like "Math", etc.


> - Enhace the search entry: search for tags.  Add tags to activities
> like "math". Provide autocompletion.
>

Yeah. I think either of these proposals are possible solutions, but at a
cost:
(1) something more for teachers to learn (they already know how to use the
homeview)
(2) something more to maintain
(3) something more to design/code
(4) not clear they actually lessen complexity

-walter

>
> 2013/5/2 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:
> > As per the enclosed discussion on IRC, I'd like to get some feedback on
> the
> > multiple homeview feature request.
> >
> >
> > manuq: I am really happy this feature has landed. I think it is really
> great
> > manuq    yes!!
> > manuq    I think we should do screencasts to showcase the great stuff
> that's
> > been added
> > walterbender    manuq: now that background has landed, I'll work on
> > multi-homeview. Also an important feature
> > manuq    walterbender: is there a feature page for multi homes?
> > manuq    walterbender: I'm less confident on multi homes.. I would like
> to
> > know user cases, feedback from deploys, and a discussion about the
> workflow
> > manuq    I fear it can complicate sugar too much
> > walterbender    manuq: there is a very important use case: teachers want
> > control over the desktop in the classroom
> > walterbender    manuq: so the simple solution is one desktop for school
> and
> > one for the user
> > walterbender    manuq: this was asked for in Peru and Australia
> > walterbender    manuq: in Peru, because teachers found the varied
> desktops
> > confusing, they wouldn't let kids add apps
> > walterbender    in Audtralia, they'd like to set the desktop per lesson
> > manuq    ouch
> > walterbender    manuq: so I think this is actually quite important
> > manuq    one desktop per lesson? uff
> > walterbender    manuq: I spoke with gonzalo_odiard_ about adding a
> feature
> > to his share activity to let the teacher set the desktop
> > walterbender    manuq: but all of these things would suggest we want the
> > kids to have an independent desktop
> > walterbender    hence the feature
> > manuq    that can be resolved with an activity.. a launcher activity
> with a
> > collection of activity icons maybe?
> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, anyway, the multiple desktop feature
> > deserve more discussion on the ml
> > walterbender    manuq: and yes, there is a feature page kicking around
> for
> > this [1]
> > manuq    gonzalo_odiard_: +1
> > manuq    walterbender: great
> > walterbender    manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ the feature was proposed a long
> time
> > ago and implemented 6 months ago.
> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, i know
> > manuq    walterbender: let's open a thread so everyone can speak
> > walterbender    manuq, gonzalo_odiard_ how do you suggest we get the
> > discussion going?
> > walterbender    seems there has been ample opportunity
> > walterbender    many emails sent
> > walterbender    but I am happy to open the door yet again
> > manuq    walterbender: sorry I don't remember the discussions
> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, i looked at the implementation and was
> not
> > very good neither
> > manuq    walterbender: so maybe add a new thread with links to the old
> > discussions
> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: that is a different issue
> > walterbender    manuq: I'll post this discussion, with links to the list
> and
> > we can continue the discussion [2]
> > gonzalo_odiard_    walterbender, but is important too
> > manuq    great
> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: undoubtedly it is important.
> > manuq    at first glance, I think a launcher activity with collections of
> > activities can be a better solution
> > manuq    so you can have a "math" collection for example
> > gonzalo_odiard_    manuq, walterbender, right now we have a configuration
> > for the activities a deployment don't want be deleted by the kids. we can
> > extend that to have other collections configured. then we can have
> > activities asociated to math, arts, science....
> > gonzalo_odiard_    and we can use that info to populate different
> desktops
> > gonzalo_odiard_    (maybe showing different background images?)
> > walterbender    now were really are making things complicated
> > walterbender    I think this direction makes too many assumptions about
> how
> > things work in the classroom
> > walterbender    let's keep it simple
> > manuq    an activity that doesn't mess the spiral, for example?
> > walterbender    gonzalo_odiard_: I really think you are over-engineering
> a
> > simple request
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multiple_home_views
> > [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2011-May/031266.html
> >
> > -walter
> >
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