[Sugar-devel] [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound
David Schönstein
dschonstein at limsi.fr
Mon Jul 13 08:28:02 EDT 2009
Hi Tomeu,
Could we add the details of this thread to
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound ?
Thanks
David
2009/7/13 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 21:19, Art Hunkins<abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:
> > Mike Gogins, a Csound developer, has taken care of the Scons issue with
> > Csound5.10, as discussed below.
> >
> > I'd be overjoyed if one of you Sugar developers could take it from there
> so
> > that we can have SoaS with a Csound that works with python2.6.
>
> SoaS is based on Fedora, so I'm adding fedora-olpc to CC. I think we
> need someone to read the thread your forwarded and update the Fedora
> ticket with an explanation of what's going on and what's the suggested
> way forward:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510423
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
>
> > If I can help in any non-technical way, please let me know. I'm much
> obliged
> > to all your help.
> >
> > Art Hunkins
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Gogins" <michael.gogins at gmail.com>
> > To: "Art Hunkins" <abhunkin at uncg.edu>; "Developer discussions"
> > <csound-devel at lists.sourceforge.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound
> >
> >
> >>I patched SConstruct as suggested in the thread below. Somebody needs
> >> to update SConstruct from Csound CVS, rebuild Csound 5.10 using this
> >> patched SConstruct for Python 2.6, and then you need to install this
> >> new build.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> 1/09, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I'm technically way over my head here. I'm referring to the
> thread
> >>> below.
> >>>
> >>> Sugar on a Stick includes Csound5.10 and Python2.6. The
> >>> incompatibilities,
> >>> apparently relating to Scons, are cited below. I'm not building
> anything;
> >>> I
> >>> just need the SoaS download or update to handle my Python script with
> >>> Csound5.10 correctly.
> >>>
> >>> 5.10 doesn't work with a Python2.6 script currently. (I need 5.10 to be
> >>> able
> >>> to use multiple MIDI controllers.)
> >>>
> >>> I don't know how to explain any better, and also don't know where
> (else)
> >>> to
> >>> turn. Should I be looking elsewhere? (I feel really stuck currently.)
> >>>
> >>> Art Hunkins
> >>>
> >>> Mike G. wrote:
> >>> Art - the Python version is controllable in Sconstruct. It works with
> >>> 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 at present. Which version of Python do you need
> >>> Csound to work with, and how do you obtain or build Csound?
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Michael Gogins" <michael.gogins at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "Art Hunkins" <abhunkin at uncg.edu>; "Developer discussions"
> >>> <csound-devel at lists.sourceforge.net>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:13 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> He says SConstruct has a bug, which he has patched. I think he's
> >>>> probably right, and I will patch SConstruct accordingly.
> >>>>
> >>>> The bug makes the installation not know the right name (soname) for
> >>>> the csnd extension module shared library.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Mike
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/6/09, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:
> >>>>> Victor and Mike G. (especially) -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're familiar with my problems getting Csound5.10 working on SoaS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aleksey, one of the Sugar developers, sent me the "solution" (below)
> to
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> problem (a Scons issue apparently).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know what to do with it, and look to you for either
> >>>>> implementation
> >>>>> or explanation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm really interested to get 5.10 working with Sugar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Art Hunkins
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Aleksey Lim" <alsroot at member.fsf.org>
> >>>>> To: "Art Hunkins" <abhunkin at uncg.edu>
> >>>>> Cc: <pbrobinson at gmail.com>; <csound at lists.bath.ac.uk>;
> >>>>> <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 3:37 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> looks like its a SConstruct issue
> >>>>>>
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2817271&group_id=81968&atid=564599
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this patch fixed "import csnd" in my case
> >>>>>>
> http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/jhconvert/repos/mainline/blobs/master/patches/csound-2817271-soname.patch
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 05:49:23PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote:
> >>>>>>> As mentioned by a member of the sugar-devel list, it seems that a
> >>>>>>> csound
> >>>>>>> (5.10) install (yum install csound), does not install several
> crucial
> >>>>>>> site-specific and library packages (csnd, _csnd, libcsnd and
> perhaps
> >>>>>>> libcsound).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Having to erase olpcsound before installing csound deletes these
> >>>>>>> files
> >>>>>>> and they don't get restored/reinstalled.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, to the procedures described below, before erasing olpcsound, I
> >>>>>>> saved
> >>>>>>> the above-listed files (there were 5 or 6), and once csound was
> >>>>>>> installed, added them back where they came from.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This crude procedure didn't work, and the following error log is
> >>>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>> like the one I started with:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25:
> >>>>>>> DeprecationWarning:
> >>>>>>> the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import sha
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> main.main()
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py",
> line
> >>>>>>> 105,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> in main
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> module = __import__(module_name)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py",
> line
> >>>>>>> 41,
> >>>>>>> in <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import csndsugui
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py",
> line
> >>>>>>> 36,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> in <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import csnd
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/csnd.py", line 7, in
> <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import _csnd
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ImportError: /usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.1: undefined symbol:
> >>>>>>> csoundGetInputBuffer
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions as to how to get this all working.
> >>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> To: pbrobinson at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> Cc: csound at lists.bath.ac.uk ; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:57 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've just noted that the /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages folder
> >>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>> not include csnd.py. That folder also contains many fewer files
> that
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> corresponding one in python2.5.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As a matter of fact, python2.5 seems about a third the size of
> 2.6.
> >>>>>>> Is
> >>>>>>> all this correct?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> To: pbrobinson at gmail.com
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:13 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Fw: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello, Peter,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you know what may be happening here? (Please see error log
> >>>>>>> below.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've no idea why the module referenced (csd.py) is not found.
> >>>>>>> Please
> >>>>>>> also compare the log at the very bottom of this mail; this latter
> log
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> generated when running Csound*5.08*, also with python2.6.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for any insights.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> To: Developer discussions
> >>>>>>> Cc: csound at lists.bath.ac.uk
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:36 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here's the *next* chapter in the saga. Please note that this is
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> the *Windows* installation saga; it's the *Linux/Sugar*
> installation
> >>>>>>> saga.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In our last episode, we noted that Csound5.08 was (apparently?)
> >>>>>>> incompatible with python2.6. At least this seemed a plausible
> >>>>>>> explanation
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> from the error log we saw.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, now Csound5.10 is available on Fedora(11) for download to
> >>>>>>> SoaS.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First, I try update csound; "can't find any csound".
> >>>>>>> Second, install csound; it tries, but then says, "can't because
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> interferes with olpcsound" (OK, different name!)
> >>>>>>> Third, erase olpcsound; good
> >>>>>>> Fourth, install csound; good
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then I run my Activity; it now crashes with the similar, but
> not
> >>>>>>> exact, error log below.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I thought perhaps I'd better start from scratch and did
> (reformat
> >>>>>>> USB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> drive, etc). Thought probably the new SoaS iso incorporated
> >>>>>>> Csound5.10.
> >>>>>>> But no, I needed to essentially repeat the above steps, and ended
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> the same crash.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The log: (any new ideas please?)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25:
> >>>>>>> DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib
> >>>>>>> module
> >>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import sha
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> main.main()
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py",
> >>>>>>> line
> >>>>>>> 105, in main
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> module = __import__(module_name)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py",
> >>>>>>> line
> >>>>>>> 41, in <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import csndsugui
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> File
> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py",
> >>>>>>> line
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 36, in <module>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> import csnd
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: victor
> >>>>>>> To: Art Hunkins ; Developer discussions
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:36 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because the 5.10 rpm has a python2.6 dependency. But that
> might
> >>>>>>> be the case for 5.08 too (I am not sure).
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> To: Developer discussions
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:22 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I just noticed that the current OLPC build includes Python
> >>>>>>> 2.5,
> >>>>>>> whereas SoaS includes Python 2.6
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Csound 5.08.91 is currently in both. Wouldn't this explain
> >>>>>>> why
> >>>>>>> 5.08.91 doesn't work on SoaS? And why 5.10 should?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Victor.Lazzarini at nuim.ie
> >>>>>>> To: Developer discussions
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:38 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The message is strange, but it does not say there is a
> >>>>>>> Python
> >>>>>>> version mismatch. However, having said that, the 5.08.91
> >>>>>>> rpm was built with 2.5 (unless what you have there is
> >>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>> build that somehow uses 2.6).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What the message says is that the library module Python
> >>>>>>> tried to load does not have one of the API functions. The
> >>>>>>> reason for this I don't know.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Victor
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu>
> >>>>>>> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:19 pm
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound
> >>>>>>> To: csound-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> > Victor, Brian and Mike G. -
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > I'd like to ask again regarding this SoaS log, and what
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> > suggests about
> >>>>>>> > the crash of my OurMusic activity.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > The version of Csound is 5.08.91, libsndfile is 1.0.17.
> >>>>>>> And
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> > you can see
> >>>>>>> > Python 2.6 and libcsnd.so.5.1 are referenced in the
> log.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Is the difficulty incompatible versions of Python
> and/or
> >>>>>>> > libsndfile/libcsnd.so.5.1?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > A member of the sugar-devel list suggested that the
> >>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>> > might well be
> >>>>>>> > solved with Csound5.10 (Fedora 11) which will be
> >>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>> > through yum
> >>>>>>> > update later this week. (It's apparently ready to go.)
> >>>>>>> What
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>> > you imagine?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > The log:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25:
> >>>>>>> > DeprecationWarning: the
> >>>>>>> > sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module
> instead
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > import sha
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module>
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > main.main()
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > File
> >>>>>>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py",
> >>>>>>> > line 105, in
> >>>>>>> > main
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > module = __import__(module_name)
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > File
> >>>>>>> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py",
> >>>>>>> > line 41, in
> >>>>>>> > <module>
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > import csndsugui
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > File
> >>>>>>> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py",
> >>>>>>> > line 36, in
> >>>>>>> > <module>
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > import csnd
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/csnd.py", line
> 7,
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> > <module>
> >>>>>>> > import _csnd
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > ImportError: /usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.1: undefined symbol:
> >>>>>>> > csoundGetInputBuffer
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Thanks -
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Art Hunkins
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> > -------------
> >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> > Csound-devel mailing list
> >>>>>>> > Csound-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>>>>>> >
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music,
> >>>>>>> National University of Ireland, Maynooth
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Aleksey
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>> --
> >>>> Michael Gogins
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> >> --
> >> Michael Gogins
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