Hi Tomeu, Could we add the details of this thread to <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound</a> ? Thanks David <div class="gmail_quote"> 2009/7/13 Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 21:19, Art Hunkins<<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote: > Mike Gogins, a Csound developer, has taken care of the Scons issue with > Csound5.10, as discussed below. > > I'd be overjoyed if one of you Sugar developers could take it from there so > that we can have SoaS with a Csound that works with python2.6. </div>SoaS is based on Fedora, so I'm adding fedora-olpc to CC. I think we need someone to read the thread your forwarded and update the Fedora ticket with an explanation of what's going on and what's the suggested way forward: <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510423" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510423</a> Regards, Tomeu <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > If I can help in any non-technical way, please let me know. I'm much obliged > to all your help. > > Art Hunkins > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Gogins" <<a href="mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com">michael.gogins@gmail.com</a>> > To: "Art Hunkins" <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>>; "Developer discussions" > <<a href="mailto:csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a>> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound > > >>I patched SConstruct as suggested in the thread below. Somebody needs >> to update SConstruct from Csound CVS, rebuild Csound 5.10 using this >> patched SConstruct for Python 2.6, and then you need to install this >> new build. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Mike >> >> 1/09, Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote: >>> Mike, >>> >>> Sorry, I'm technically way over my head here. I'm referring to the thread >>> below. >>> >>> Sugar on a Stick includes Csound5.10 and Python2.6. The >>> incompatibilities, >>> apparently relating to Scons, are cited below. I'm not building anything; >>> I >>> just need the SoaS download or update to handle my Python script with >>> Csound5.10 correctly. >>> >>> 5.10 doesn't work with a Python2.6 script currently. (I need 5.10 to be >>> able >>> to use multiple MIDI controllers.) >>> >>> I don't know how to explain any better, and also don't know where (else) >>> to >>> turn. Should I be looking elsewhere? (I feel really stuck currently.) >>> >>> Art Hunkins >>> >>> Mike G. wrote: >>> Art - the Python version is controllable in Sconstruct. It works with >>> 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 at present. Which version of Python do you need >>> Csound to work with, and how do you obtain or build Csound? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michael Gogins" <<a href="mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com">michael.gogins@gmail.com</a>> >>> To: "Art Hunkins" <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>>; "Developer discussions" >>> <<a href="mailto:csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound >>> >>> >>>> He says SConstruct has a bug, which he has patched. I think he's >>>> probably right, and I will patch SConstruct accordingly. >>>> >>>> The bug makes the installation not know the right name (soname) for >>>> the csnd extension module shared library. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On 7/6/09, Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote: >>>>> Victor and Mike G. (especially) - >>>>> >>>>> You're familiar with my problems getting Csound5.10 working on SoaS. >>>>> >>>>> Aleksey, one of the Sugar developers, sent me the "solution" (below) to >>>>> this >>>>> problem (a Scons issue apparently). >>>>> >>>>> I don't know what to do with it, and look to you for either >>>>> implementation >>>>> or explanation. >>>>> >>>>> I'm really interested to get 5.10 working with Sugar. >>>>> >>>>> Art Hunkins >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Aleksey Lim" <<a href="mailto:alsroot@member.fsf.org">alsroot@member.fsf.org</a>> >>>>> To: "Art Hunkins" <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> >>>>> Cc: <<a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk">csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</a>>; >>>>> <<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 3:37 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> looks like its a SConstruct issue >>>>>> <a href="https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2817271&group_id=81968&atid=564599" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2817271&group_id=81968&atid=564599</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> this patch fixed "import csnd" in my case >>>>>> <a href="http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/jhconvert/repos/mainline/blobs/master/patches/csound-2817271-soname.patch" target="_blank">http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/jhconvert/repos/mainline/blobs/master/patches/csound-2817271-soname.patch</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 05:49:23PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: >>>>>>> As mentioned by a member of the sugar-devel list, it seems that a >>>>>>> csound >>>>>>> (5.10) install (yum install csound), does not install several crucial >>>>>>> site-specific and library packages (csnd, _csnd, libcsnd and perhaps >>>>>>> libcsound). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having to erase olpcsound before installing csound deletes these >>>>>>> files >>>>>>> and they don't get restored/reinstalled. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, to the procedures described below, before erasing olpcsound, I >>>>>>> saved >>>>>>> the above-listed files (there were 5 or 6), and once csound was >>>>>>> installed, added them back where they came from. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This crude procedure didn't work, and the following error log is >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>> like the one I started with: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: >>>>>>> DeprecationWarning: >>>>>>> the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead >>>>>>> >>>>>>> import sha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> main.main() >>>>>>> >>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py", line >>>>>>> 105, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in main >>>>>>> >>>>>>> module = __import__(module_name) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py", line >>>>>>> 41, >>>>>>> in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> import csndsugui >>>>>>> >>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py", line >>>>>>> 36, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> import csnd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/csnd.py", line 7, in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> import _csnd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ImportError: /usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.1: undefined symbol: >>>>>>> csoundGetInputBuffer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions as to how to get this all working. >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � From: Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � To: <a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a> >>>>>>> � Cc: <a href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk">csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</a> ; <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>>>> � Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:57 PM >>>>>>> � Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � I've just noted that the /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages folder >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> not include csnd.py. That folder also contains many fewer files that >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> corresponding one in python2.5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � As a matter of fact, python2.5 seems about a third the size of 2.6. >>>>>>> Is >>>>>>> all this correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � � From: Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � � To: <a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a> >>>>>>> � � Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:13 PM >>>>>>> � � Subject: Fw: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Hello, Peter, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Do you know what may be happening here? (Please see error log >>>>>>> below.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � I've no idea why the module referenced (csd.py) is not found. >>>>>>> Please >>>>>>> also compare the log at the very bottom of this mail; this latter log >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> >>>>>>> generated when running Csound*5.08*, also with python2.6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Thanks for any insights. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Art Hunkins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � � From: Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � � To: Developer discussions >>>>>>> � � Cc: <a href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk">csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</a> >>>>>>> � � Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:36 PM >>>>>>> � � Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Here's the *next* chapter in the saga. Please note that this is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> the *Windows* installation saga; it's the *Linux/Sugar* installation >>>>>>> saga. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � In our last episode, we noted that Csound5.08 was (apparently?) >>>>>>> incompatible with python2.6. At least this seemed a plausible >>>>>>> explanation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> from the error log we saw. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � So, now Csound5.10 is available on Fedora(11) for download to >>>>>>> SoaS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � First, I try update csound; "can't find any csound". >>>>>>> � � Second, install csound; it tries, but then says, "can't because >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> interferes with olpcsound" (OK, different name!) >>>>>>> � � Third, erase olpcsound; good >>>>>>> � � Fourth, install csound; good >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Then I run my Activity; it now crashes with the similar, but not >>>>>>> exact, error log below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � I thought perhaps I'd better start from scratch and did (reformat >>>>>>> USB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> drive, etc). Thought probably the new SoaS iso incorporated >>>>>>> Csound5.10. >>>>>>> But no, I needed to essentially repeat the above steps, and ended >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the same crash. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � The log: (any new ideas please?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: >>>>>>> DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib >>>>>>> module >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � import sha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � main.main() >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py", >>>>>>> line >>>>>>> 105, in main >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � module = __import__(module_name) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py", >>>>>>> line >>>>>>> 41, in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � import csndsugui >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py", >>>>>>> line >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 36, in <module> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � import csnd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � ImportError: No module named csnd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � Art Hunkins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � � � From: victor >>>>>>> � � � To: Art Hunkins ; Developer discussions >>>>>>> � � � Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:36 PM >>>>>>> � � � Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � Because the 5.10 rpm has a python2.6 dependency. But that might >>>>>>> � � � be the case for 5.08 too (I am not sure). >>>>>>> � � � � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � � � � From: Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � � � � To: Developer discussions >>>>>>> � � � � Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:22 AM >>>>>>> � � � � Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � I just noticed that the current OLPC build includes Python >>>>>>> 2.5, >>>>>>> whereas SoaS includes Python 2.6 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � Csound 5.08.91 is currently in both. Wouldn't this explain >>>>>>> why >>>>>>> 5.08.91 doesn't work on SoaS? And why 5.10 should? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � � � � � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � � � � � From: <a href="mailto:Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie">Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie</a> >>>>>>> � � � � � To: Developer discussions >>>>>>> � � � � � Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:38 PM >>>>>>> � � � � � Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � The message is strange, but it does not say there is a >>>>>>> Python >>>>>>> � � � � � version mismatch. However, having said that, the 5.08.91 >>>>>>> � � � � � rpm was built with 2.5 (unless what you have there is >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> � � � � � build that somehow uses 2.6). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � What the message says is that the library module Python >>>>>>> � � � � � tried to load does not have one of the API functions. The >>>>>>> � � � � � reason for this I don't know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � Victor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> � � � � � From: Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> >>>>>>> � � � � � Date: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:19 pm >>>>>>> � � � � � Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound >>>>>>> � � � � � To: <a href="mailto:csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � > Victor, Brian and Mike G. - >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > I'd like to ask again regarding this SoaS log, and what >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> � � � � � > suggests about >>>>>>> � � � � � > the crash of my OurMusic activity. >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > The version of Csound is 5.08.91, libsndfile is 1.0.17. >>>>>>> And >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> � � � � � > you can see >>>>>>> � � � � � > Python 2.6 and libcsnd.so.5.1 are referenced in the log. >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > Is the difficulty incompatible versions of Python and/or >>>>>>> � � � � � > libsndfile/libcsnd.so.5.1? >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > A member of the sugar-devel list suggested that the >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> � � � � � > might well be >>>>>>> � � � � � > solved with Csound5.10 (Fedora 11) which will be >>>>>>> available >>>>>>> � � � � � > through yum >>>>>>> � � � � � > update later this week. (It's apparently ready to go.) >>>>>>> What >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> � � � � � > you imagine? >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > The log: >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25: >>>>>>> � � � � � > DeprecationWarning: the >>>>>>> � � � � � > sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > import sha >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module> >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > main.main() >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > File >>>>>>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py", >>>>>>> � � � � � > line 105, in >>>>>>> � � � � � > main >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > module = __import__(module_name) >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > File >>>>>>> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py", >>>>>>> � � � � � > line 41, in >>>>>>> � � � � � > <module> >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > import csndsugui >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > File >>>>>>> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py", >>>>>>> � � � � � > line 36, in >>>>>>> � � � � � > <module> >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > import csnd >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/csnd.py", line 7, >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> � � � � � > <module> >>>>>>> � � � � � > import _csnd >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > ImportError: /usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.1: undefined symbol: >>>>>>> � � � � � > csoundGetInputBuffer >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > Thanks - >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > Art Hunkins >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> � � � � � > >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> � � � � � > ------------- >>>>>>> � � � � � > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> � � � � � > Csound-devel mailing list >>>>>>> � � � � � > <a href="mailto:Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a> >>>>>>> � � � � � > <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music, >>>>>>> � � � � � National University of Ireland, Maynooth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � � _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> � � � � � Csound-devel mailing list >>>>>>> � � � � � <a href="mailto:Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a> >>>>>>> � � � � � <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � � _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> � � � � Csound-devel mailing list >>>>>>> � � � � <a href="mailto:Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a> >>>>>>> � � � � <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � � _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> � � � Csound-devel mailing list >>>>>>> � � � <a href="mailto:Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a> >>>>>>> � � � <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel</a> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> � � _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> � � Csound-devel mailing list >>>>>>> � � <a href="mailto:Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a> >>>>>>> � � <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel</a> >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>>>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Aleksey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >>>>> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! 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