[sugar] Rebe

Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki
Thu Jun 21 17:35:55 EDT 2007


> I think the biggest point to be made here is an argument for a "document" or "object" of sorts.  Etoys definitely seems
> to have most of the types of interaction and media embedding solutions I believe Rebecca and I both want, but (as far as
> I know, though I admittedly don't know that much) it does so in an all encompassing environment.  What we really need is
> a lightweight format that lets one pass around these "scratchpads" or "collages" as objects, so the teacher can create a
> file, pass it out as homework, etc.  I could be very wrong in my assumptions, though, so please correct me where I am.
>  I see lots of potential for Etoys, and I'd like to better understand how it integrates with Sugar now, and how we can
> push it in the most effective direction.

  Currently, for historical reasons, an EToys "project" is saved into
a file (relatively small, but can be big if you use a lot of media)
called a project file or (".pr" file).  The file can be passed around:
If the user type an URL for a .pr file into XO's browser, it fetches
the file from the server and launch Etoys with it.  In short, you can
just think that a .pr file is a document file for the Etoys

  We do have a higher-level document format (document formats, to be
precise) and thinking to migrate that.

  Also, we are almost ready to merge the drag-and-drop code that lets
the user to drag an Etoys object onto the frame, and paste it into
Write and other activities (and vice versa).  This drag-and-drop code
lets the user copy and paste text as well.

-- Yoshiki

> On 6/21/07, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
>     Indeed, "scratchpad" describes Etoys pretty precisely ;)
>     You can draw, write (even with multi-column text layout flowing
>     around abjects), and of course calculate.
>     It's not just "type anywhere and a curve pops up", although in fact
>     such an extension exists (but not included in the OLPC Etoys
>     version): called MathMorphs and MorphicWrappers done by the
>     Argentinian Squeak community a couple years ago:
>              http://www.dm.uba.ar/MathMorphs/
>     and updated to work in recent Squeak releases
>             http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5855
>     If there is enough interest in this (and I agree it's a great
>     environment for exploring Math) we might try to find someone porting
>     it to the OLPC version. Or maybe it just works if installed, I
>     haven't tried (unfortunately our plates are still full with lower-
>     level stuff).
>     - Bert -
>     On Jun 21, 2007, at 22:01 , Eben Eliason wrote:
>     > Rebecca -
>     >
>     > This sounds similar to some of my ideas for "Collage"...allowing
>     > combinations of text, drawing, image, and other media formats in a
>     > freeform canvas.  The response there seemed that Etoys was, in many
>     > ways, already providing such a thing.  I think this is a really
>     > interesting area though, and the potential to be able to send
>     > multimedia documents around, specifically in an educational
>     > environment, is huge. Do you have more thoughts on specifically how
>     > this could be distinguished from Etoys?
>     >
>     > Additionally, there is the Sophie project, but I'm not that
>     > familiar with it or how far along they've come with the project on
>     > the XO.
>     >
>     > - Eben
>     >
>     >
>     > On 6/21/07, Rebecca Gettys <rebecca.gettys at comcast.net > wrote:
>     > Hello all,
>     > I had an idea while playing witha green machine...this may be a little
>     > late, I don't know. What if ther was some sort of "scratchpad"
>     > activity,
>     > not draw, or write,or calculator but a kind fusion of all three.
>     > mathimatical equasions could be typed out and then they could solve
>     > with
>     > typing and or drawing for their work, and they could write guides and
>     > picture books and such with this activity as well. Is this in
>     > possible/in the plans/something similar is being made???
>     > ~Rebecca Gettys
>     >
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