Thu Jun 21 17:35:55 EDT 2007
> I think the biggest point to be made here is an argument for a "document" or "object" of sorts. Etoys definitely seems
> to have most of the types of interaction and media embedding solutions I believe Rebecca and I both want, but (as far as
> I know, though I admittedly don't know that much) it does so in an all encompassing environment. What we really need is
> a lightweight format that lets one pass around these "scratchpads" or "collages" as objects, so the teacher can create a
> file, pass it out as homework, etc. I could be very wrong in my assumptions, though, so please correct me where I am.
> I see lots of potential for Etoys, and I'd like to better understand how it integrates with Sugar now, and how we can
> push it in the most effective direction.
Currently, for historical reasons, an EToys "project" is saved into
a file (relatively small, but can be big if you use a lot of media)
called a project file or (".pr" file). The file can be passed around:
If the user type an URL for a .pr file into XO's browser, it fetches
the file from the server and launch Etoys with it. In short, you can
just think that a .pr file is a document file for the Etoys
We do have a higher-level document format (document formats, to be
precise) and thinking to migrate that.
Also, we are almost ready to merge the drag-and-drop code that lets
the user to drag an Etoys object onto the frame, and paste it into
Write and other activities (and vice versa). This drag-and-drop code
lets the user copy and paste text as well.
> On 6/21/07, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
> Indeed, "scratchpad" describes Etoys pretty precisely ;)
> You can draw, write (even with multi-column text layout flowing
> around abjects), and of course calculate.
> It's not just "type anywhere and a curve pops up", although in fact
> such an extension exists (but not included in the OLPC Etoys
> version): called MathMorphs and MorphicWrappers done by the
> Argentinian Squeak community a couple years ago:
> and updated to work in recent Squeak releases
> If there is enough interest in this (and I agree it's a great
> environment for exploring Math) we might try to find someone porting
> it to the OLPC version. Or maybe it just works if installed, I
> haven't tried (unfortunately our plates are still full with lower-
> level stuff).
> - Bert -
> On Jun 21, 2007, at 22:01 , Eben Eliason wrote:
> > Rebecca -
> > This sounds similar to some of my ideas for "Collage"...allowing
> > combinations of text, drawing, image, and other media formats in a
> > freeform canvas. The response there seemed that Etoys was, in many
> > ways, already providing such a thing. I think this is a really
> > interesting area though, and the potential to be able to send
> > multimedia documents around, specifically in an educational
> > environment, is huge. Do you have more thoughts on specifically how
> > this could be distinguished from Etoys?
> > Additionally, there is the Sophie project, but I'm not that
> > familiar with it or how far along they've come with the project on
> > the XO.
> > - Eben
> > On 6/21/07, Rebecca Gettys <rebecca.gettys at comcast.net > wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I had an idea while playing witha green machine...this may be a little
> > late, I don't know. What if ther was some sort of "scratchpad"
> > activity,
> > not draw, or write,or calculator but a kind fusion of all three.
> > mathimatical equasions could be typed out and then they could solve
> > with
> > typing and or drawing for their work, and they could write guides and
> > picture books and such with this activity as well. Is this in
> > possible/in the plans/something similar is being made???
> > ~Rebecca Gettys
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