[Sugar-devel] Free Terminal?
meta.sj at gmail.com
Wed Dec 21 10:58:03 EST 2011
It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity" when it should be a
high-value first-class activity.
Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating. It is the ony activity we
offer to really get a sense of how your computer works.
And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses. A number of basic
scripts or instructions about how to use or customize the XO require the
If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use it, or might
somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to provide more guidance and
information with the activity [for instance: ship Man pages, include a
welcome message that guides people to them, and to a txt version of "Intro
to the Command Line"].
As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any reason not to ship
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <
satellit at bendbroadband.com> wrote:
> On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> Ok, returning to sugar-devel because I did Reply instead of Reply to all :)
> Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are proposing?
> The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.
> Why do you think there are a wrong message here?
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Then it makes more sense to me to say "once you have learned how to su
>> olpc, you can use terminal to hack your user experience" rather than "once
>> you have overcome an obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
>> terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not understand".
> Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):
> This would require using Sugar Clone
> to duplicate the live USB's
> Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso
> The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.
> I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready' to use terminal?
>>> it's not as though we hide the "delete activity" menu option from people,
>>> for instance. It seems to me to send the wrong message.
>>> Better to have a terminal replacement activity that
>>> a) shows you clearly what user you are logged in as (in the title bar?)
>>> b) by default launches you into a new user account ("user:sandbox"?)
>>> that can easily su to olpc...
>>> c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in exploring the command
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>wrote:
>>>> If the user is ready to use the terminal, can go to the list view and
>>>> select as a favorite, right?
>>>> Is not hidden, only is not selected as favorite.
>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> Terminal is currently hidden by default on many builds. How about
>>>>> unhiding it or replacing it with an activity that offers more of an intro
>>>>> to the command line?
>>>>> It is an important tool for understanding how your computer works.
>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>>> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
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