It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity" when it should be a high-value first-class activity.<br><br><div>Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating. It is the ony activity we offer to really get a sense of how your computer works. </div>
<div>And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses. A number of basic scripts or instructions about how to use or customize the XO require the Terminal.<div><br>If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use it, or might somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to provide more guidance and information with the activity [for instance: ship Man pages, include a welcome message that guides people to them, and to a txt version of "Intro to the Command Line"]. </div>
<div><br></div><div>As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any reason not to ship them?</div><div><a href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161</a></div><div><a href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>SJ</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Thomas C Gilliard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com" target="_blank">satellit@bendbroadband.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
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Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are
proposing?<br>
The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.<br>
Why do you think there are a wrong message here?<br>
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Gonzalo<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel
Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com" target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Then it makes more sense to me to say
"once you have learned how to su olpc, you can use terminal to
hack your user experience" rather than "once you have overcome
an obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not
understand".
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Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):<br>
<a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf" target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf</a><br>
This would require using Sugar Clone<br>
<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone</a>
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to duplicate the live USB's<br>
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Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso<br>
<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora</a><br>
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The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.<br>
I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.<div><div><br>
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PM, Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com" target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
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Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready'
to use terminal? it's not as though we hide the
"delete activity" menu option from people, for
instance. It seems to me to send the wrong message.
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<div>Better to have a terminal replacement activity
that </div>
<div>a) shows you clearly what user you are logged
in as (in the title bar?)</div>
<div>b) by default launches you into a new user
account ("user:sandbox"?) that can easily su to
olpc... </div>
<div>c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in
exploring the command line.
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2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gonzalo@laptop.org" target="_blank">gonzalo@laptop.org</a>></span>
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ready to use the terminal, can go to the
list view and select as a favorite,
right?<br>
Is not hidden, only is not selected as
favorite.<br>
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Gonzalo<br>
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<div>Terminal is currently hidden by
default on many builds. How about
unhiding it or replacing it with
an activity that offers more of an
intro to the command line?
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It is an important tool for
understanding how your computer
works.</div>
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