[Sugar-devel] State of Sugar?

Christoph Derndorfer-Medosch christoph.derndorfer at gmail.com
Fri Oct 30 06:47:32 EDT 2020

Hi all,

a quick thought experiment from another old-timer and long-term lurker here:

James, I think one might also turn your assessment on its head:

"The *low number of contributors* to Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer,
and Music Blocks is *due to the focus that we have, and it's unclear*. The
relatively *small amount of continued contributions* alone will *not have
any real effect on that*.

Sugar Labs contributors *will arrive and thrive* if there is a *clear Sugar
Labs focus*."

Just my 2 euro cents,

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:

> I disagree that the focus has shifted or that it should be shifted
> back to what it was.  The state of Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, and
> Music Blocks is due to the contributors we have, and they are too few.
> No amount of refocusing will have any real effect on that.
> Sugar Labs will thrive if there are contributors.
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 11:40:58PM +0100, Bastien wrote:
> > Thanks James.
> >
> > So Sugar is maintained by a handful of people but it is not actively
> > developed anymore.  Sugar Labs puts some efforts in maintaining it but
> > does not really know who is still using it.  Sugar Labs also hosts the
> > Sugarizer project, which is well alive and reaching children at least
> > in France.
> >
> > I hope this does sound approximatively correct.
> >
> > Sugar Labs was all about provoking a change in the way we experience
> > education (learning and teaching) through the development of Sugar, as
> > a flagship for such a change.  This flagship was designed around a few
> > core principles and powerful ideas that are still alive and relevant
> > today: namely focus, reflection and collaboration.
> >
> > I think we all agree these core principles will survive the software.
> >
> > What if Sugar Labs focus was not to promote Sugar (which is dying) but
> > to help build a network of contributors around these core principles?
> >
> > What if we insist on the "Labs" more than on the "Sugar"?
> >
> > The Free Software Foundation is saying over and over that children
> > should use free software.  But building free educational software is
> > something very few people are interested in doing seriously, and the
> > ones willing to do it by following the aforementioned core principles
> > may not want to rely on Sugar or Sugarizer.
> >
> > How to help these people?
> >
> > You know my love for this project and my commitment to helping OLPC
> > back in the times, Sugar Labs community and Sugarizer today.  But I
> > don't feel the pulse of the Sugar community anymore, and I think that
> > may be because the focus is back on the software, rather than on the
> > core principles and the people themselves.
> >
> > Stated otherwise: if Alan K., Seymour P., Cynthia S. and Walter were
> > back again in the same room to discuss the future of education, what
> > would they propose?  Could Sugar Labs host these new ideas?
> >
> > --
> >  Bastien
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Christoph Derndorfer

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