<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>a quick thought experiment from another old-timer and long-term lurker here:</div><div><br></div><div>James, I think one might also turn your assessment on its head:</div><div><br></div><div>"The <b>low number of contributors</b> to Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, and Music Blocks is <b>due to the focus that we have, and it's unclear</b>. The relatively <b>small amount of continued contributions</b> alone will <b>not have any real effect on that</b>.
</div><div><br></div><div>Sugar Labs contributors <b>will arrive and thrive</b> if there is a <b>clear Sugar Labs focus</b>."</div><div><br></div><div>Just my 2 euro cents,</div><div>Christoph</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 8:53 AM James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I disagree that the focus has shifted or that it should be shifted<br>
back to what it was. The state of Sugar Labs, Sugar, Sugarizer, and<br>
Music Blocks is due to the contributors we have, and they are too few.<br>
No amount of refocusing will have any real effect on that.<br>
<br>
Sugar Labs will thrive if there are contributors.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 11:40:58PM +0100, Bastien wrote:<br>
> Thanks James.<br>
> <br>
> So Sugar is maintained by a handful of people but it is not actively<br>
> developed anymore. Sugar Labs puts some efforts in maintaining it but<br>
> does not really know who is still using it. Sugar Labs also hosts the<br>
> Sugarizer project, which is well alive and reaching children at least<br>
> in France.<br>
> <br>
> I hope this does sound approximatively correct.<br>
> <br>
> Sugar Labs was all about provoking a change in the way we experience<br>
> education (learning and teaching) through the development of Sugar, as<br>
> a flagship for such a change. This flagship was designed around a few<br>
> core principles and powerful ideas that are still alive and relevant<br>
> today: namely focus, reflection and collaboration.<br>
> <br>
> I think we all agree these core principles will survive the software.<br>
> <br>
> What if Sugar Labs focus was not to promote Sugar (which is dying) but<br>
> to help build a network of contributors around these core principles?<br>
> <br>
> What if we insist on the "Labs" more than on the "Sugar"?<br>
> <br>
> The Free Software Foundation is saying over and over that children<br>
> should use free software. But building free educational software is<br>
> something very few people are interested in doing seriously, and the<br>
> ones willing to do it by following the aforementioned core principles<br>
> may not want to rely on Sugar or Sugarizer. <br>
> <br>
> How to help these people?<br>
> <br>
> You know my love for this project and my commitment to helping OLPC<br>
> back in the times, Sugar Labs community and Sugarizer today. But I<br>
> don't feel the pulse of the Sugar community anymore, and I think that<br>
> may be because the focus is back on the software, rather than on the<br>
> core principles and the people themselves.<br>
> <br>
> Stated otherwise: if Alan K., Seymour P., Cynthia S. and Walter were<br>
> back again in the same room to discuss the future of education, what<br>
> would they propose? Could Sugar Labs host these new ideas?<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> Bastien<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Christoph Derndorfer<div><br></div><div><div>volunteer, OLPC (Austria) / co-founder, TechnikBasteln® [<a href="http://www.technikbasteln.net/" target="_blank">www.technikbasteln.net</a>]</div><div><br></div><div>e-mail: <a href="mailto:christoph@derndorfer.eu" target="_blank">christoph@derndorfer.eu</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>