[Sugar-devel] Proposal to move communication to other platform

[James Cameron]

Yes.  Please use webchat.freenode.net as it is better maintained.  I'd
be fine with changing any links.

On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:57:00PM +0000, Bottersnike wrote:
> With regards to [1]chat.sugarlabs.org, the version of qwebirc it runs is 10
> years out of date, and it has an SSL certificate that expired 4 years ago. I
> really don't think there's any reason it should ever be recommended to new
> users (over just using freenode) unless it receives a serious update.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Bottersnike <[2]bottersnike237 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     I think one of the main issues with IRC is the onboarding experience, or
>     rather lack thereof. For new users, they're faced with an entirely blank
>     screen, with no trivial way to search for past questions, see if a topic
>     has been brought up before, or even just read through history to get a
>     general idea of the way the organization operates. Sure, there may be
>     archives maintained, but for someone who has just discovered SugarLabs and
>     wants to contribute, that really isn't going to be a viable solution,
>     because it takes significant effort to hunt them down and search through
>     them. For established teams, this isn't much of an issue, but it can make
>     SugarLabs an incredibly daunting organization for young students from, say
>     GCI, or people looking around at different organizations for GSoC.
> 
>     > I use Quassel, as it keeps backlog.
> 
>     Most clients keep a backlog, but only if your computer is on. That's not
>     the situation 24/7 for a lot of people.
> 
>     (Sorry for the double message, James. I accidentally used Reply not Reply
>     All)
> 
>     On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:15 PM James Cameron <[3]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> 
>         Thanks for asking.
> 
>         For real-time presence messaging, please use IRC channel #sugar on
>         [4]freenode.net.  Your choice of client.  I use Quassel, as it keeps
>         backlog.
> 
>         For store and forward messaging, please use the mailing list.  Your
>         choice of client.
> 
>         You'll get a voice on choice of tools once you've been working with us
>         for a few months.  Until then we can't trust that you've assessed the
>         situation accurately.
> 
>         Gitter.im was yet another attempt to split our community into the
>         haves and the have-nots.  I'm almost ready to ditch my account there
>         because it has way less benefit than the cost.  Of receiving a mail
>         notification, logging in, and answering the same old questions.  It is
>         quite boring.  You can see that if you look through the previous
>         discussion, which you'll find was entirely sporadic; someone
>         has a question, I answer, nothing else happens.  It could have been
>         done in mail.  It costs so much memory and screen real-estate that I
>         can't see myself staying connected.  I certainly don't want it
>         promoted for Sugar Labs, but I'm willing to keep it available in case
>         it turns out to be useful for working with anyone who can't figure out
>         how to use IRC.  We must allow for the possibility that someone with a
>         disability has been given access to Gitter.im but not to IRC.  So a
>         matter of inclusiveness, but not emphasis.
> 
>         On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 08:03:31PM +0530, Prashant Sengar wrote:
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > I am sure this request must have been raised earlier as well. I
>         wanted to ask
>         > if Sugar could create a communication channel on another platform
>         such as a
>         > discord server, Slack or Telegram instead of IRC to make
>         communication easier.
>         >
>         > The reason why others will be a better option:
>         > 1. The chats will be accessible even if I am offline for a while,
>         unlike IRC
>         > where I cannot see any earlier data.
>         > 2. IRC cannot be used on mobile devices, so it creates a barrier in
>         > communication. On the other hand, the other chat applications are
>         available on
>         > all platforms for everyone to use.
>         >
>         > I would like to request the team to please consider this request. If
>         such
>         > request has been made earlier and denied due to some reasons, then I
>         would like
>         > to know them so that I can understand the reasons and work
>         accordingly.
>         >
>         > Regards.
>         > Prashant Sengar
> 
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> References:
> 
> [1] http://chat.sugarlabs.org/
> [2] mailto:bottersnike237 at gmail.com
> [3] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [4] http://freenode.net/
> [5] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> [7] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> [8] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> [9] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

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