[Sugar-devel] ASLO shut down target date? (was: licensing question)

Tony Anderson tony_anderson at usa.net
Fri May 25 00:47:55 EDT 2018

ASLO provides acess to Sugar activities (*.xo bundles). Ways in which 
users get Sugar is not relevant. In my experience, XO users install 
Sugar from the images on laptop.org. For Ubuntu, I assume sudo apt-get 
install sucrose. SOAS is not live and the usb stick is built from the 
SOAS image (dd). I haven't yet tried Sugar on RPI but I believe this is 
a sudo apt-get sucrose to Raspbian.

In each case a number of activities selected by the packager is 
included. However, users should be able to access the entire library.

The fundamental problem is to fix the broken activities.

Current statistics taken a few minutes ago show that there are 327 
activities available on ASLO alone. These are generally gtk2 activities 
which are not usable in the Ubuntu Sugar. There are 191 activities with 
github repos. Of these, 103 work on the Ubuntu Sugar and are available 
as xo bundles from aslolite.


On Friday, 25 May, 2018 11:38 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:56:10PM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> On 23 May 2018 at 23:29, Walter Bender <[1]walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>>      On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:26 PM Dave Crossland <[2]dave at lab6.com> wrote:
>>          On Wed, May 23, 2018, 8:54 PM James Cameron <[3]quozl at laptop.org>
>>          wrote:
>>              Tony's insistence on ASLO continues to amuse me.  Most distribution
>>              of
>>              activities now happens through bundles, tarballs, and GitHub.  ASLO
>>              is
>>              rarely used by distributors or indeed useful for anything except
>>              personal searches for broken activities.  Tony's numbers make it
>>              plain.  My own plan is to remove the link to "activities" in Browse
>>              default page; plenty of disk space these days to include all
>>              working
>>              activities in a build.
>>          Good to hear real world usage of aslo has entered terminal decline.
>>          When will it be turned off?
>>      I am not a fan of the current activity server, but I am a fan of having
>>      lots of activities for our users to explore beyond the ones that were
>>      chosen for them.
>> James, when you say "Most distribution of activities now happens through
>> bundles, tarballs, and GitHub," could you provide a percentage split guess for
>> that? My guess is that its 90% bundles in OLPC images, 5% tarballs from ASLO or
>> similar, and 5% Github.
> Happy to help, Dave!
> My perception is also based on private feedback from deployments, from
> people at OLPC, from people using GitHub, and from mailing list posts.
> Several instances of a class of bug "canary in coal mine" afflict
> ASLO, GitHub, and downstreams such as Fedora and Debian.  Tracking
> these bugs also gives me an idea of demand in those channels.
> In past two years, my estimates of distribution by channel are;
> - 50% in OLPC images, or images prepared by schools using OLPC tools,
>    or software updates, using a bundle cache at
>    <http://download.laptop.org/activities>,
> - 35% in Fedora SoaS images, Sugar Live Build, Debian packages, or
>    Ubuntu packages, using GitHub clones, or tarballs from GitHub or
>    <https://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/>,
> - 10% as bundles downloaded from ASLO using Browse (because of
>    reputational damage with bundles rarely working or updated),
> - 5% direct from GitHub; by skilled users and developers.
> However, I don't have measurements.  I'd like to hear of measurements,
> but we don't typically have tracking mechanisms.

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