[Sugar-devel] motion for a new mission statement

[Samson Goddy]

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:50 AM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:58:45AM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> > My problem with this exercise is it again postpones action to
> > fulfill the mission.
>
> The board is responsible for what it talks about and decides, and it
> is not for me to complain about their prioritisation, since I'm not a
> board member.
>
> In my opinion, the board is not likely to take direct actions to
> fulfill either of the mission statements, but they will make sure
> nothing gets in the way of contributors who are working toward those
> actions.
>
> Some people are both board members and contributors; like Walter, and
> anything he does which is a contribution isn't an action taken as a
> board member.  Keep the ideas separate; this is a critical principle
> of governance.
>
> So what's getting in the way of contributors?
>
> > The most critical need (under any version of the mission statement)
> > is to make Sugar available on a wide range of contemporary platforms
> > so that we can escape the view that Sugar is locked to the XO. We
> > then need to wean developers and GSOC candidates from the
> > 'development environment' so that they are testing Sugar by actual
> > use.
>
> Go buy the latest One Laptop per Child product for a complete and
> working Sugar desktop on a contemporary platform!  We are using Sugar
> 0.110 with about 40 activities pre-loaded!
>
> Disclosure; my work is paid for by One Laptop per Child.
>
> > This doesn't appear to be as difficult as it appears. Ubuntu has
> > Sugar 0.106 available.
>
> No, Ubuntu has Sugar 0.110 available.
>
> > Debian has a version which I hope to get running today.
>
> Yay.  Same version, as it comes from the same place; because Ubuntu
> uses the Debian packages unchanged.
>
> > A SOAS stick can be created by downloading the image and using
> > dd.
>
> Who would use dd?  There are other tools promoted for this than dd.
>
> > However, no one has stepped up to make this prominent in the
> > website where browsers are likely to encounter Sugar.
>
> It is prominent on wiki.sugarlabs.org and sugarlabs.org ("Get Sugar").
>
> So your request is for search engine optimisation?  Where's Samson!
>
Sorry for the late reply. If i understand correctly, Tony you can
complaining about Google search result. I think this came as a result of
low engagements on the web. For instance OLPC do have a Google "knowledge
graph" but Sugar Labs doesn't. As much as this statement isn't connected to
what we are saying, Sugar Labs failed in the area of marketing(use of
Social media), Google search works very well as it optimises social media
on search results. Unlike OLPC there are lot of videos and website mentions
about OLPC than Sugar Labs or Sugar. About the website, the current and the
previous site was really bad in terms of supporting Google optimization.

For example the definition of Sugar and Sugar Labs isn't same with the
article or entry from Wikipedia, Wikipedia and Google are best friends in
terms of search result. So we need to use these tools, implement it on our
website. I will be making sure of it during gsoc.

FYI, i will appreciate if you will send me those details and suggestions or
things you will like to see on the next site.

>
> > Google for sugar release is likely to take you to laptops.org (or
> > get you a wiki article on sugar).
>
> Uh oh, you're in a filter bubble?  Please clear your browser history
> or use a new private window before making such searches; there's no
> way that a new Google Search user would find those sites in response
> to such a query.  Mostly you get music videos, or SugarCRM software.
>
> > For marketing purposes Ubuntu and Debian are using sucrose as the
> > name.
>
> No way!  (a) neither Ubuntu nor Debian market Sugar, and (b) that's
> not what they use the name sucrose for.  It's for a package that
> installs the Sucrose component of Sugar.
>
> > I think this can be confusing and is a leftover from Activity
> > Central.
>
> No, it predates Activity Central.  You're thinking of Dextrose.
> Sucrose was introduced by Walter Bender in his Sugar Digest of
> 2008-05-26 in reference to work by Simon Schampijer.  Activity Central
> began involvement around 2010.
>
> Still, Sucrose wouldn't be expected to be known or understood
> by users, unless they are also acting as deployers.
>
> > So I believe there is real work to do,
>
> Indeed, but not as you say.  ;-)
>
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> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
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