[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Re: [UKids] Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Walter Bender]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
wrote:

> Sorry, I was traveling this morning and in too much of a hurry. So this
> only went to UKids. As I recall the numbers, Rwanda purchased 100,000 units
> and received 110,000 for $200,000.
>
> Tony
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [UKids] Re: [Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:03:39 +0800
> From: Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net> <tony_anderson at usa.net>
> To: unleashkids at googlegroups.com
>
> Dave
>
> In my understanding, the Give 1 laptops from the first round went to
> Mongolia (Ulan Bator). Most of the second round Give1s went to Rwanda as a
> deal-sweetner (lowered the effective unit cost of the Rwanda buy).
>

I know nothing about G1G1 Round Two but the laptops from the first round
went to many more places than just Mongolia. For example, it was from that
program that the first batch of laptops went to Caacupé in Paraguay, a
program that continues to be robust today.

I understand that trying to learn from the mistakes of the past in order to
plan a better future for Sugar has merit, but let's try to stick to the
facts. As to the comments about internal OLPC finances, do you have
documentation regarding these assertions? And are the relevant to the
current discussion?

regards.

-walter


> Tony
>
> On 04/12/2016 01:06 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> On 11 April 2016 at 10:41, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Dave Crossland < <dave at lab6.com>
>> dave at lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying that some corresponding laptops were NOT given to poor
>>> kids as promised, and the foundation just netted the cash? :)
>>>
>>
>> [Yes]
>>
>
> That's a bold assertion, but fair enough. In the worst imaginary scenario,
> the OLPC Foundation board transferred the money into their personal Panama
> accounts, or spent it on lavish junkets, or whatever. In the best case it
> was used to fund the organization unwisely until it was all gone.
>
> Last week I obtained a copy (for $0.01 + postage) of "Learning To Change
> The World" and in Chapter 4, page 75, it says
>
> After the February 2008 board meeting, OLPC and the Sugar community split.
> One month later, Sugar Labs was founded as an independent non-profit
> organization that would continue to drive the development and dissemination
> of the Sugar learning software. In the immediate aftermath of the split,
> OLPC rapidly expanded its staff, going from fewer than twenty full-time
> employees to nearly sixty.
>
>
> I imagine that is about $4M/year in wages. That in itself seems completely
> unwise when the organisation was failing to close large sales. You also
> allege it was spent on same-day flights. I could believe it.
>
> But, well, whatever. This was a long time ago. Whatever way the money was
> spent, it was spent, and is long gone. The foundation was eventually wound
> down, the association was eventually wound down, and now there is just this
> husk of OLPC Inc today, with to-date-anonymous-to-me workers dutifully
> supplying XO-4s to anyone who will order them, and paying ol' James here on
> contract to do needed technical maintenance work.
>
> Is anyone involved in any of the bad behaviour you are alleging still
> involved in OLPC or Sugar Labs today?
>
> Even if they are, I don't see value in guilt tripping them about what
> happened; nor really am I too curious about chasing down what actually
> happened, unless you have a plan to recover the money and avoid defamation
> lawsuits ;)
>
>
>
>> Why sugar-coat the truth?
>>
>
> Negativity corrodes enthusiasm. Being factual is fine, being grumpy is not
> :)
>
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> Dave
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