[Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 79, Issue 61

[Gonzalo Odiard]

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
wrote:

> Somewhere I got lost. I had originally understood docker as a mechanism to
> run Sugar on platforms other than an XO.
>
>
You are right. This is a experiment, don;t take it out of proportion.



> In learning to program in Python, I lean to the idea that it should be
> done with the Terminal Activity (command line, nano text editor). The use
> of an integrated
> development environment (Pippy, IDLE, IPython, Eclipse) can be introduced
> as an advanced topic - incidentally IPython runs quite nicely on an XO).
>
> I can't image a professional building a web application using Pippy. I
> think students should learn to build web applications using standard
> methods: HTML, CSS, and Javascript. Again, using the command line and nano.
> The GSOC project to build an interactive javascript shell reflects the fact
> that Python has an inherently better development environment and that
> Javascript really needs an interactive display of the web page (and
> debugging via the console.log mechanism).
>
> Although Sugar is becoming more dependent on internet access, that is not
> an option for many deployments. Flask or Django could be introduced as an
> advanced topic with the framework hosted on the school server. This will
> require some careful planning so that student interaction does not
> introduce instability since there is normally no qualified system
> administrator available to deal with server problems.
>
>
I am lost here now :)
Why we are talking about use pippy for professional work?
If you want teach some kids to develop a web site, is ok, but Sugar is not
designed to be
a production environment, in the same way that Eclipse is not designed to
tech math.
Why should we want teach Flask or Django to kids from 6 to 12 years old?

Gonzalo


> Tony
>
> On 05/23/2015 06:00 PM, sugar-devel-request at lists.sugarlabs.org wrote:
>
>> Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:11:54 +0000 From:
>> tkkang at nurturingasia.com To: "Sebastian Silva" <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>,
>> tkkang at nurturingasia.com, sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re:
>> [Sugar-devel] Docker in Sugar/XO laptop Message-ID:
>> <W6839625023265491432368714 at atl4webmail07> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="windows-1252" Thanks for the feedback. Just that I have been
>> testing other people web applications (and saving me time) with docker that
>> I feel perhaps a kid with an XO can do the same and learn something with
>> lighter weight virtualization. Hope some developer can take up Sam's and
>> your recommendation of Flask. Cheers
>>
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Sebastian Silva [mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org]
>>> >Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 03:55 PM
>>> >To:tkkang at nurturingasia.com,sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> >Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Docker in Sugar/XO laptop
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On 23/05/15 02:00,tkkang at nurturingasia.com  wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>Hope it makes sense:-)
>>>>
>>> >
>>> >It still doesn't, to me at least.
>>> >
>>> >It's sounds like you are saying you want to run any linux distro on
>>> >virtualbox on xo. It would be pointless waste of machine resources
>>> >because you are already running a linux distro.
>>> >
>>> >You can write full, professional web apps from Pippy, if you have access
>>> >to one or two extra python packages ( personal favorite, try Flask
>>> ><http://flask.pocoo.org/>  ). The trick is getting to them, which is
>>> why
>>> >Sam's proposal is quite good, access to the Python Package Index from
>>> >Pippy...
>>> >
>>> >-- >I+D SomosAzucar.Org
>>> >"icarito" #somosazucar en Freenode IRC
>>> >"Nadie libera a nadie, nadie se libera solo. Los seres humanos se
>>> liberan en comuni?n" - P. Freire
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sugar-devel mailing list
>> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sugar-devel mailing list
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>



-- 
Gonzalo Odiard

SugarLabs - Software for children learning
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/attachments/20150526/790869e7/attachment.html>