[Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

Gary C Martin gary at garycmartin.com
Sun Mar 1 20:12:17 EST 2009

On 2 Mar 2009, at 00:21, Caroline Meeks wrote:

> Point of clarification.
> The next sticks we are getting will not be randomly given out to  
> people.
> We are going to use them for:
> 1. Working with classes of kids at computer labs for an hour or two.  
> In an ideal world we could let them keep their stick so they could  
> work on thier project after the class is over.  We hope to get  
> testing and publicity from these events.
> 2. Giving out at FOSS VT. A conference for educators interested in  
> Free and Open Source Software. I'd like to see if we can get people  
> back channeling the conference through Sugar Chat and shared write.

Just a word of warning on Write, last time I tested (8.2,  
8.2.1,Write-60) it's still a 'master/slave' set-up when working  
collaboratively. If you leave (say you go home, or switch off  
wireless), do some more work on the write journal entry, and later  
rejoin a master (i.e the document you had originally shared) – all  
your changes are wiped as they get re-synced with whatever is on the  
current master. Who ever gets to be master of a previously shared  
write session first, gets to keep their work, every one else looses.

Very bad usage case would be:

- teacher get 5 kids to start a shared assay project in class together  
about hobbies
- then tasks them to each add a new section about their own hobby as  
- next day... first kid that boots up and resumes their entry will be  
- other 4 kids arrive, resume... and all get their homework auto-wiped  
by kid number 1


This is one of the reasons I don't like the design mantra of, "once  
shared you have no private control of that activity any more" (i.e.  
you can never un-share an activity). And combined with the Journal  
auto-keeping, you work is wiped and then auto-saved as wiped, if you  
had the foresight to make an extra 'kept' copy before you came to  
school, don't risk ever resuming it with your network active, or it  
may be wiped as well.

Only solution I've found to this with write is to manually copy and  
paste all the content to a new and un-shared instance of write, where  
you can now work safely.


> If we are going to do conferences on a regular we'll need to get  
> them cobranded and have someone else pay.  Then it would be way cool  
> to have them in the conference goodie bag with everyone at the  
> conference talking and sharing through sugar.  We could have Browse  
> set to the conference home page.  It could be very fun at education  
> conferences.  But we need to get someone else to pay. :)  As  
> companies will often pay for a branded USB stick without anything on  
> it to go in the conference goodie bag this seems like a realistic  
> hope.
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:41 PM, David Farning  
> <dfarning at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
> This become an issue of cost effectiveness.  I understand Branded USBs
> are on the order of $8 a stick.
> The Fedora Ambassadors tried giving away USB keys.  Thye found that
> they were not cost effective.  The high cost per unit combined with
> the low 'stick rate' made them unfeasible.  I understand everybody who
> walked by, grabbed a stick.  After all, who turns down a free USB
> stick.  With CDs people who grab one at least have some level of
> interest about the product.
> This leads me to believe that good old LiveCDs will continue to be our
> primary introduction method.  USB keys will be a higher cost method
> for higher potential users.
> For example: We give a way CDs in our booth at a conference.   We give
> away USB sticks as part of Sugar related talks.
> david
> 2009/3/1 Eben Eliason <eben at laptop.org>:
> > As I understand it, this cannot be so simple because it needs to  
> be a
> > bootable image, and not just a set of files.  I'd also suspect  
> there's
> > partitioning being done (not sure) so that user data can still be
> > stored on it as well.
> >
> > An alternative proposal (if Sugar Labs is willing to assume the
> > overhead involved) is to offer "Sugarsticks" at cost to those who  
> want
> > them.  We could even brand them with the sugar logo, perhaps, in its
> > variety of colors.  Reducing the barrier to entry like this would  
> make
> > it really easy for people to try, and "commercializing" like this
> > gives the project a certain credibility; a realness.
> >
> > In a way, we could give kids an attachment to their "Sugarstick"
> > similar to that of kids to their XOs.
> >
> > - Eben
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  
> <tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm wondering if it may be possible to lower further the barrier  
> for
> >> the less technical users that want to download sugar on a stick.
> >>
> >> Maybe we could offer a .zip for download that can be expanded on a
> >> bootable usb stick and just work?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Tomeu
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