[Marketing] Wikipedia inaccurate on Sugar

Sean DALY sdaly.be at gmail.com
Fri Oct 23 15:56:32 EDT 2009

Yes, he's hired :-)

Writing concise copy is an invaluable skill.

I had edited parts of the website static intro pages right before we
went live for the March v0.84 launch and have shifted my attention
since to other pressing matters. But for sure, DanielC's phrases are

I want to thank Adam for relaying my call for wikipedia editing and
Martin for stepping up. We'll have the page shipshape for the
Blueberry launch for sure.



On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 14:19, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_(GUI)
>> There are errors (latest stable version, for starters) and omissions
>> (the Video section which doesn't have anything from our DailyMotion
>> channel)
>> Would any Wikipedians in the house like to step up and volunteer to
>> improve that page, and check it from time to time?
> Adding IAEP to CC because the subject is of interest wide enough.
> Have just had a short conversation on IRC with a GNOME hacker and he
> made some interesting points about how we are seen by a casual
> observer:
> (07:49:54 PM) DanielC: Sugar = desktop environment, right?
> 19:50
> (07:50:22 PM) ***DanielC reads the Wikipedia page about Sugar.
> (07:50:24 PM) tomeu: not really desktop, rather learning ;)
> (07:50:47 PM) DanielC: Yeah, I thought I recognized the name from the
> OLPC thing.
> (07:59:39 PM) DanielC: The wikipedia is a bit vague about what Sugar
> is. "Tool of creative expression", "Learning environment", etc.
> 20:00
> (08:00:08 PM) ***DanielC tries the Sugar Labs website.
> (08:00:38 PM) tomeu: yeah, yesterday the marketing team started a
> discussion about this
> (08:03:13 PM) DanielC: Ok, I've looked at the Sugar Labs website and I
> still don't know what it does. I think I'll wait for the marketing
> team to do its thing.
> (08:04:15 PM) tomeu: DanielC: think gnome-shell oriented to learning
> (08:04:38 PM) tomeu: it's difficult to explain in a single form that
> makes sense to everybody
> 20:05
> (08:05:03 PM) DanielC: It sounds difficult to explain.
> (08:05:37 PM) DanielC: But basically it's a desktop environment for
> schools with young kids. Is that about right?
> (08:05:52 PM) tomeu: DanielC: yes, that's how I would explain it to
> someone in this channel
> (08:05:59 PM) DanielC: :-)
> (08:06:02 PM) tomeu: DanielC: this is my presentation for fosdem 2009:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/6/60/FOSDEM2009.odp
> (08:06:10 PM) DanielC: *click*
> (08:06:24 PM) tomeu: only that we don't follow the desktop metaphores,
> so desktop is misleading in that aspect
> (08:06:43 PM) tomeu: but then we have to use a term as vague as
> "environment" or "platform", etc
> (08:06:55 PM) DanielC: Ok, s/desktop environment/GUI interface/
> (08:07:37 PM) DanielC: "GUI interface" is more concrete than
> "environment" or "platform" (Java is a platform).
> (08:08:03 PM) tomeu: yeah, that also works for some people
> (08:08:09 PM) tomeu: though many don't know what gui is
> (08:08:17 PM) tomeu: see, even the engineers from the deployments have
> trouble distinguishing from sugar and the rest of the distro
> (08:08:28 PM) tomeu: we get lots of questions about alsa or even about
> hardware issues
> (08:12:03 PM) DanielC: "It is a graphical environment for schools with
> young children. It is simple and child-oriented. The focus is on
> collaboration activities relevant to the classroom"
> (08:12:44 PM) tomeu: that's a good one, where did you got it from?
> (08:12:53 PM) DanielC: I just came up with it.
> (08:13:12 PM) walters: you should edit the wikipedia page
> (08:13:16 PM) walters: then it becomes standard! =)
> (08:13:24 PM) tomeu: DanielC: and after that, join our marketing team :p
> (08:13:32 PM) DanielC: I tried to hit most of your main points but in
> concrete language.
> (08:13:38 PM) DanielC: tomeu: :-)
> (08:14:09 PM) tomeu: DanielC: may I reproduce this conversation in our
> marketing ml?
> (08:14:17 PM) DanielC: of course
> (08:14:20 PM) tomeu: thanks
> Regards,
> Tomeu
> --
> «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar.
> What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David
> Farning

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