[IAEP] Exploring New Horizons for Sugar's GUI / Explorando Nuevos Horizontes para Sugar

[Sebastian Silva]

(re-sending with smaller attachment to pass list moderation)

I really like the idea of physics-based affordances. Space and
"resistance", animations and "gravity".
For instance, I remember a time when Sugar's home pie would scale in
proportion with resource usage of each activity.

This screen grab from "Aqua sugar - the children's machine translated for
adults" features this aspect:

[image: 1805652934_c997af9f9e_o.jpg]

It's telling for me that in 2007 someone felt the need to "translate" Sugar
for adults.

In looking for more recent thoughts, I found this HN thread from 2019
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20839870> and some comments which
resonated with me (or gave me a cringe):

Here's a few hand picked thoughts from that thread:


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> *-  annoyingnoob on Aug 31, 2019:I gave my nephew an OLPC with Sugar on
> it. Must have been 10 years ago. He could not figure it out, seemed useless
> to him.*
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> *- piperswe on Aug 30, 2019:At least for me, a Sugar-based was extremely
> beneficial as a child (12 or so years ago). My Sugar-based OLPC XO-1
> introduced me to programming and Linux, and gave me a system to use for
> experimenting with my UNIX SVR5 and C++ books.Sugar is mainly built for
> kids that never had access to a computer before a Sugar-based one (kids in
> developing countries; so I'm not the target audience either), so that might
> explain some of your complaints.- mikepurvis on Aug 30, 2019:It's really
> beyond belief that they insisted on reinventing the wheel with so much of
> the system. How much more sane would it have been to just ship a regular
> Linux desktop with a curated selection of libre applications and
> established programming environments/repls?RPi is the learning computer
> that OLPC never was.*
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> *- nimrody on Aug 30, 2019:I thought one of the original aims was that
> kids could easily explore and modify the code behind the apps (python code
> I think).I like that approach but couldn't find the "show/edit source
> button" (using the Sugarizer web based platform)Perhaps a simplified
> Smalltalk environment would be better?*



--
Sebastian Silva
(él / he)
Jardinero de Sistemas




El sáb, 1 mar 2025 a las 9:48, Walter Bender (<walter.bender at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> The video brought to mind some under-utilized ideas in Sugar, such as the
> neighborhood view. No reason why we can't build a neighborhood view of the
> journal contents!!!
> Long life pie menus!!!
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> thx for sharing.
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> -walter
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> On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 5:57 PM Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> wrote:
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>> ESPAÑOL ABAJO
>>
>> Hi everyone,
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>> As we continue to evolve Sugar and make it more engaging for young
>> learners, I wanted to share a thought-provoking video that might inspire us
>> to rethink our approach to the Sugar GUI:
>> https://youtu.be/woq5bSLQq18?t=420 This video explores some fascinating
>> ideas about user interaction that could help us reimagine Sugar's interface.
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>> I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and any ideas you might have for
>> enhancing Sugar's usability and appeal. Whether it's a wild design concept
>> or a practical suggestion, let's share and discuss them here. This is a
>> great opportunity for us to collaborate and push the boundaries of what
>> Sugar can be.
>>
>> Please feel free to reply to this email with your ideas, sketches, or
>> even just your reactions to the video. Let's keep the conversation going
>> and see where it takes us!
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>> Best regards,
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>> ---
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>> Hola a todos,
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>> Como seguimos evolucionando Sugar y tratando de mantenerlo interesante
>> para los jóvenes aprendices, quería compartir un video que podría
>> inspirarnos a replantearnos un poco nuestra aproximación a la interfaz de
>> Sugar: https://youtu.be/woq5bSLQq18?t=420. Este video explora algunas
>> ideas fascinantes sobre interacción del usuario que podrían ayudarnos a
>> reimaginar la interfaz de Sugar.
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>> Me encantaría escuchar sus pensamientos sobre esto y cualquier idea que
>> tengan para mejorar la usabilidad y el atractivo de Sugar. Ya sea un
>> concepto de diseño loco o una sugerencia práctica, compartámoslos aquí.
>> Esta es una excelente oportunidad para colaborar y empujar los límites de
>> lo que Sugar puede ser. ¡Y quién sabe, tal vez descubramos que Sugar no es
>> tan viejo como algunas de nuestras computadoras!
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>> Por favor, respondan a este correo con sus ideas, bocetos o incluso solo
>> sus reacciones al video. Vamos a mantener la conversación y ver adónde nos
>> lleva.
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>> Saludos,
>> ---
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>> --
>> Sebastian Silva
>> (él / he)
>> Jardinero de Sistemas
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> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
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