<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">(re-sending with smaller attachment to pass list moderation)<br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><br><div dir="ltr"><div>I really like the idea of physics-based affordances. Space and "resistance", animations and "gravity".<br></div><div>For instance, I remember a time when Sugar's home pie would scale in proportion with resource usage of each activity.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This screen grab from "Aqua sugar - the children's machine translated for adults" features this aspect:<br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_m7s3vpza2" alt="1805652934_c997af9f9e_o.jpg" width="488" height="366"><br></div><div><br></div><div>It's telling for me that in 2007 someone felt the need to "translate" Sugar for adults.</div><div><br></div><div>In looking for more recent thoughts, I found <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20839870" target="_blank">this HN thread from 2019</a> and some comments which resonated with me (or gave me a cringe):</div><div><br></div><div> Here's a few hand picked thoughts from that thread:<br></div><div> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i>- annoyingnoob on Aug 31, 2019:<br>I gave my nephew an OLPC with Sugar on it. Must have been 10 years ago. He could not figure it out, seemed useless to him.<br><br></i> <br><i>- piperswe on Aug 30, 2019:<br><br>At least for me, a Sugar-based was extremely beneficial as a child (12 or so years ago). My Sugar-based OLPC XO-1 introduced me to programming and Linux, and gave me a system to use for experimenting with my UNIX SVR5 and C++ books.<br><br>Sugar is mainly built for kids that never had access to a computer before a Sugar-based one (kids in developing countries; so I'm not the target audience either), so that might explain some of your complaints.<br><br>- mikepurvis on Aug 30, 2019:<br><br>It's really beyond belief that they insisted on reinventing the wheel with so much of the system. How much more sane would it have been to just ship a regular Linux desktop with a curated selection of libre applications and established programming environments/repls?<br><br>RPi is the learning computer that OLPC never was.</i><br> <br> <i><br>- nimrody on Aug 30, 2019:<br><br>I thought one of the original aims was that kids could easily explore and modify the code behind the apps (python code I think).<br><br>I like that approach but couldn't find the "show/edit source button" (using the Sugarizer web based platform)<br><br>Perhaps a simplified Smalltalk environment would be better?</i></blockquote></div><div><br> </div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Sebastian Silva</div><div>(él / he)</div><div>Jardinero de Sistemas<br></div><br><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El sáb, 1 mar 2025 a las 9:48, Walter Bender (<<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The video brought to mind some under-utilized ideas in Sugar, such as the neighborhood view. No reason why we can't build a neighborhood view of the journal contents!!!</div><div>Long life pie menus!!!</div><div><br></div><div>thx for sharing.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 5:57 PM Sebastian Silva <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>ESPAÑOL ABAJO<br><br></div><div>Hi everyone,<br><br>As we continue to evolve Sugar and make it more engaging for young learners, I wanted to share a thought-provoking video that might inspire us to rethink our approach to the Sugar GUI: <a href="https://youtu.be/woq5bSLQq18?t=420" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/woq5bSLQq18?t=420</a> This video explores some fascinating ideas about user interaction that could help us reimagine Sugar's interface.<br><br>I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and any ideas you might have for enhancing Sugar's usability and appeal. Whether it's a wild design concept or a practical suggestion, let's share and discuss them here. This is a great opportunity for us to collaborate and push the boundaries of what Sugar can be.<br><br>Please feel free to reply to this email with your ideas, sketches, or even just your reactions to the video. Let's keep the conversation going and see where it takes us!<br><br>Best regards,<br></div><div><br>---<br></div><div><p>Hola a todos,</p><span></span>
<p>Como seguimos evolucionando Sugar y tratando de
mantenerlo interesante para los jóvenes aprendices, quería compartir un
video que podría inspirarnos a replantearnos un poco nuestra
aproximación a la interfaz de Sugar: <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://youtu.be/woq5bSLQq18?t=420" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/woq5bSLQq18?t=420</a>.
Este video explora algunas ideas fascinantes sobre interacción del
usuario que podrían ayudarnos a reimaginar la interfaz de Sugar.</p><span></span>
<p>Me encantaría escuchar sus pensamientos sobre esto y
cualquier idea que tengan para mejorar la usabilidad y el atractivo de
Sugar. Ya sea un concepto de diseño loco o una sugerencia práctica,
compartámoslos aquí. Esta es una excelente oportunidad para colaborar y
empujar los límites de lo que Sugar puede ser. ¡Y quién sabe, tal vez
descubramos que Sugar no es tan viejo como algunas de nuestras
computadoras!</p><span></span>
<p>Por favor, respondan a este correo con sus ideas,
bocetos o incluso solo sus reacciones al video. Vamos a mantener la
conversación y ver adónde nos lleva.</p><span></span>
<p>Saludos,</p></div><div>---<br><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Sebastian Silva</div><div>(él / he)</div><div>Jardinero de Sistemas<br></div><br><br></div></div></div></div>
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