[IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Kevin]

Oh! Ok. Thanks for explaining, James! Would it be helpful if I added
some words about this bug to the wiki article
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation> that got
me started?


On 11/26/18 1:15 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> Thanks for the report.
>
> You're hitting a known bug we are working on.
>
> Press F3 key to show the home view, or move the mouse to the corner,
> wait for the Frame to appear, and select the home view that way.
>
> https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html
>
> The bug was introduced by the Metacity window manager and is being
> tracked in several places;
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769#issuecomment-441350118
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/368
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1519042
>
> You can take a screenshot with Alt-1, and it will be added to the
> Journal, but it isn't necessary, I know what you've hit.
>
> If you know any developers interested in helping to fix this, send
> them to me!
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 01:04:25AM -0500, Kevin wrote:
>> Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful
>> software.
>>
>> I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on an old
>> MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent problems with
>> that much), and then I followed the instructions I found [1]here:
>>
>> ==============
>>
>> Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment
>>
>> Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type:
>>
>> sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop
>>
>> Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop.
>>
>> ==============
>>
>> I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience that I
>> see when I go to [2]https://try.sugarizer.org.
>>
>> When I visit [3]https://try.sugarizer.org I see two options to click: "New
>> user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I type a
>> trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose at least 4
>> images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click "Next". And now I
>> see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is one page that has some
>> common features with my F29/Sugar desktop environment. So I click until I like
>> a color combination for my trial XO character and then click "Done." Then I see
>> a spinny icon and shortly afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a
>> spiral of Activity icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here (what
>> I think of as the Sugar desktop).
>>
>> But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar desktop
>> environment.
>>
>> When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager in F29
>> and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:" screen.
>> After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose gender.
>> After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose a grade.
>> After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character at the center
>> of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at [4]https://try.sugarizer.org. I
>> don't see anything like it at all. I can't take a screenshot of it because the
>> screen seems to have no functionality for that at all. In the middle of a white
>> screen I see a gray icon of a three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal
>> is empty". In the black top bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying
>> glass search icon in a white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far
>> left, and then proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white
>> box icon with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read
>> "Anything" (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select
>> filter" with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively,
>> then lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward
>> and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort view").
>>
>> I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm looking
>> at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity icons that I see
>> at [5]https://try.sugarizer.org.
>>
>> In [6]https://try.sugarizer.org, I see the same three-ring binder icon just
>> below the XO character, and when I click on it at [7]https://try.sugarizer.org,
>> I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop
>> ("Search in journal", white star, "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a
>> question mark inside a circle, and finally a dot inside a circle on the far
>> right; and the same three-ring binder icon in the center of the screen above
>> the words "Your journal is empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to
>> the spiral of Activity icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no
>> way I can find to exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop.
>>
>> When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old MacBook
>> Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when logging into
>> this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the gnome display
>> manager.
>>
>> So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the
>> Journal activity) look something like what I see at [8]https://
>> try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be seeing: the Sugar
>> desktop)?
>>
>> As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to kill
>> -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when I issue
>> the "[alpha at localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session --run-script
>> sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in either a virtual
>> console or in the gnome desktop environment running a terminal window. Then I
>> can login as my kid again and go through the same stuck-in-journal-activity
>> loop. How do I break out of this loop?
>>
>> I asked about this yesterday in IRC as Nick dr02020, and walterbender suggested
>> that I try the F29 vanilla installation that I have now done. Thanks for the
>> suggestion, Walter, but I have the same problems in F29 too.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions on this dilemma. I'm excited to see how my kid does
>> in sugar and hope I can do so in our own computer rather than strictly at [9]
>> https://try.sugarizer.org.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> References:
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/fedora.md
>> [2] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [3] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [4] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [5] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [6] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [7] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [8] https://try.sugarizer.org/
>> [9] https://try.sugarizer.org/
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