[IAEP] [SLOBS]: Request for certifications of developing an activity

Christoph Derndorfer e0425826 at student.tuwien.ac.at
Wed Jul 13 17:09:03 EDT 2011

Hi Gonzalo,

as you know I'm generally a fan of process rather than tool solutions
but in this particular case I think that having a separate mailing list
(and the aforementioned associated process;-) could actually help.

IMHO the signal to noise ratio on lists such as IAEP is relatively low,
particularly for people who only want to drop in for a couple of months
(hopefully only initially that is). Even looking at my own inbox I
currently have ~9500 unread e-mails out of the ~13800 messages sent via
IAEP since it was first established.

And I certainly do agree that professors at schools and universities are
a vital component as they're a continuum in these institutions. However
even with our small pilot project being a good, almost vital, selling
point I haven't yet figure out a way to attract more of them to this

>From my own experience I do believe that long-term funding and/or
institutional commitment (e.g. Uruguay's Flor de Ceibo) and associated
research - and subsequent output in the form of papers, etc. - play an
important role here.

Though how to really get there I honestly don't know... :-?


Am 13.07.2011 20:38, schrieb Gonzalo Odiard:
> I agree with most of your comments, and the next comments,
> we have knowledge useful to share, working with others, a lot of tools,
> professional level reviews, etc and also interacting have a cost for the
> students
> and the community (time, effort,etc).
> I do not think creating a low trafic list will solve the issue,
> (we tried stimulate the spanish community with the sugar-desarrollo list
> without success)
> I think the only solution is having a mostly permanent contact in a
> university,
> then the students will have short time interactions, but a lot of
> knowledge will be in the teachers.
> Then we need "sell" to a university teacher the idea of working with us.
> Gonzalo
>     Here I feel that maybe having a separate sugar-students@ mailing list
>     might be a way forward. Ideally some experienced developers and
>     community people would closely monitor it and offer timely replies.
>     Everyone working with students should then encourage them to sign up
>     there. This way there'd be a space for them to collaborate, exchange
>     experiences, and discuss issues without being overwhelmed by the traffic
>     on IAEP and sugar-devel which can be very overwhelming at times,
>     particularly when you're just getting involved.

Christoph Derndorfer
co-editor, www.olpcnews.com
e-mail: christoph at olpcnews.com

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