[IAEP] Etoys, is it difficult or easy?

Cherry Withers cwithers at ekindling.org
Fri Sep 24 13:48:48 EDT 2010

Just want to share this email from Daniel Gastelu, translated by Carlos
Rabassa. Thank you!

Just translated a message, from the spanish language forum OLPC-Uruguay.

Further down in this message you may see the original.

The author,  Daniel Gastelú, is a High School Professor.

Daniel works in a Library in Canelones, Uruguay,  to offer support to other
teachers in the public high schools.

This message is his answer to the subject question, which we had posed in
several forums.

Translation starts here
And Scratch? ... don't remember where I read it,  but it sounded logical to

Use progressively difficult tools for progressively difficult tasks.

To confirm this statement,  I add the phrase: "Visible learning, invisible

Children would first learn TurtleArt.

When they outgrow it switch to Scratch.

When all its possibilities are exhausted, continue with eToys.

It is the same as with bicycles and motorcycles.

They start at home,  in the backyard patio,  with training wheels

They continue on the street,  in front of their home,  with the bicycle
without the training wheels enjoying their independence (Scratch).

Once they learned enough about riding on the street,  we allow them to ride
the bike to the supermarket (eToys).

May I make it clear I use the three programs.

I can compare them based on my own experience.

The idea in my opinion should not be to discuss whether it is easy or
difficult for the teacher or for the student.

We should llook at the opportunities offered by the tool.

Would any of the readers [of this forum] give a [motor driven] dune buggy to
his daughter for her 15th birthday if she cannot handle a bicycle?

In closing this brief message,  I share the problem in Scratch.


"The problem" is the one others have resolved using a XO with SocialCalc or
with Etoys:

Many Pizzas <http://squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=10264>  (2010-sep-07
18:35 EDT)  por Carlos Rabassa based on ideas by Daniel Ajoy and Paolo
Benini <carlos <http://squeakland.org/showcase/account?username=carlos>>
Resolving 2-variable equation

Translation ends here

Carlos Rabassa
Plan Ceibal Support Network
Montevideo, Uruguay

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Daniel Gastelú <danielgastelu at yahoo.com.ar>
*Date: *September 15, 2010 9:10:13 AM EDT
*To: *Comunidad ceibalJAM <olpc-uruguay at lists.laptop.org>
*Subject: **Re: [Olpc-uruguay] Etoys, es fácil o es difícil?*
*Reply-To: *Comunidad ceibalJAM <olpc-uruguay at lists.laptop.org>

Y scratch?... no recuerdo donde lo leí, pero me pareció lógico; herrameintas
de complejidad progresiva para tareas de complejidad progresiva. Y agrego;
para confirmar la frase de "aprendizaje visible, tecnología invisible".

Los niños/as aprenderìan primeramente Tortugarte, cuando les quede chico
pasarían a Scratch, y cuando Scratch esté agotado en posibilidades pasarían
a eToys? Es como las bicicletas y motos. Primero en el patiod e casa y con
rueditas (Tortugarte), luego en la calle en frente a la casa con la
bicicleta sin las rueditas de ayuda y con independencia.(Scratch). Una vez
que aprendió bastante a moverse en la calle lo dejamos ir solo al
supermercado en la bicicleta (eToys). Aclaro que uso los tres softwares y
puedo compararlos por experiencia.

La idea para mi caso no es si es fácil o difícil (para el educador o el
alumno) , sino que es ver la oportunidad de la herramienta. ¿Alguno de los
lectoresle regalaría un cuatriciclo a su hija para el cumple de 15 si ella
no sabe manejar una biicleta?

Cerrando este cortito mensaje, les comparto el problema como manipulable en


Daniel Gastelú
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