[IAEP] SoaS as a Sugar Labs project.

Tomeu Vizoso tomeu at sugarlabs.org
Wed Aug 26 12:54:38 EDT 2009

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 17:18, Michael Stone<michael at laptop.org> wrote:
> Tomeu,
>> Frankly Michael, the only way I can read these posts from you is that
>> you are frustrated because we aren't churning more work, regardless of
>> how much we have achieved that is relevant to OLPC deployments.
> Correct.
> I do not accept that work I have managed to do in the past is sufficient
> simply
> because it was the work that I was able to do. Instead, I form or
> disintegrate
> this acceptance with reference to three external measures:
>  * absolute standards of quality, e.g. as formed by acceptance testing
> against
>    written design goals or user experiences,
>  * relative standards of quality as evidenced by the respect and
> participation
>    of specific individuals whose judgment I trust and whose biases seem to
> me
>    to control for some of my obvious biases, and
>  * freeform standards of quality as evidenced by what other people have
>    made from the work.
> I am therefore frustrated, for the reason you mention, because I believe
> that
> our work is achieves none of these standards of "good enough".
> (Unsurprisingly, I'm frustrated for some other reasons too, but that's
> neither
> here nor there.)

I'm sure everybody here would like to see more done, but I still don't
understand why the conclusion is that we don't care about our users.
Can you extend on this?

>> Do you have any actionable ideas about how to work better for our users?
> I perceive a double bind: I have lots of ideas, but ideas are cheap and seem
> most unwelcome here -- they're just "talk" instead of "do", aren't they?

An idea is an idea, people who want to see an idea realized need to
take some kind of action. That doesn't necessarily mean to carry it
from start to end, they can find associates with whom to work
together. Search the archive for what I have said before about feature

> Michael
> P.S - Maybe a reasonable compromise on the double bind would be for me to
> share
> a small number of ideas, or to share as many ideas fit into a fixed duration
> conversation in a different medium?

Maybe, though I don't see any double bind nor I'm having much luck
understanding what you need to have a more positive position. Maybe
Bernie and you could have a nice dinner and write together someone
that both find actionable?



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