[IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea, integrated into global Sugar

[Eben Eliason]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Greg Smith <gregsmitholpc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pato (espero que no le molesta si uso este nombre),
>
> I'm revisiting an older thread. I read your blog and I think its great!
> Congratulations to you and Walter for implementing this and closing the
> loop all the way back to the classroom.
>
> I want to see what we have learned about developing software that is
> relevant and useful for teachers. I especially want to learn how to make
> this happen more often and with more people (programmers, students and
> teachers) involved.
>
> I see you have requested two more things:
>
> 1.- A Beep function in  TurtleArtwithsensors.
> 2.- A easy way for to write "Hello word". I received a report about
> uruguayan?s kids  writing  letters  with  the turtle?s lines, but this
> way is slow and not fun.

It seems to me that a line (or perhaps a circle) is the the "hello
world" of Turtle art.  I'm curious as to the intent of the request,
though.  Is the desire to write "hello world" specifically due to
cliche, or is it instead to support textual output in Turtle Art in
general, perhaps by drawing text at a given coordinate, or along a
path?

Indeed, I'd agree that programming the turtle to write "hello world"
with turtle lines is far beyond the intended scope of a hello world
exercise!  I wonder what forms (those I mention above? others?) of
textual output people would find useful or engaging in this
environment.

- Eben


> These look little more challenging than square root to me :-) I think
> they also need better definition to fully understand what you need.
>
> I believe that Walter has taken over maintenance of the Turtle Art
> program and that he plans a new release  soon.
>
> You may want to follow up with him to see if he can get these in a
> future release. They may need some more definition (e.g. are you asking
> for these to work a particular school or class? what are you going to
> teach with these features in TurtleArt? when, how and why do you want to
> put text in the program etc.)
>
> I'm interested in the details but I think its really up to you and the
> programmers (Walter in this case). So I'll just watch if you don't mind
> working this out on the list.
>
> BTW I also noticed and followed up on this related thread on the Sur list:
> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2008-October/001145.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
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>>
>> Hi Greg:
>>
>>          TurtleArt-11.xo  worked perfectly. My report with  teacher?s comment, screenshoots, and pedagogical support (only in spanish) here:
>>
>> http://patricioacevedo.blogspot.com/2008/09/mi-reporte-para-sugar-labs.html
>>
>>        I want to try this features:
>>     1.- A Beep function in  TurtleArtwithsensors.
>>     2.- A easy way for to write "Hello word". I received a report about uruguayan?s kids  writing  letters  with  the turtle?s lines, but this way is slow and not fun.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pato Acevedo
>>
>> www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com
>>> Hi Luis,
>>>
>>> I believe that Walter updated TurtleArt with a square root function to
>>> address this.
>>>
>>> Was that a satisfactory response? Let us know how that worked for you
>>> and the people who requested it. Any comments or input appreciated.
>>>
>>> What else do teachers and users need? Let's see if we can address some
>>> more requests and start to improve the quality of the dialog at the same
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Walter,
>>>
>>> Essentially the same questions for you. Did that go the way you wanted?
>>> I get the impression you wanted teachers to modify the code themselves.
>>> Maybe you can elaborate on that. Perhaps you could have asked if anyone
>>> wanted to learn how to do it.
>>>
>>> In the cycle of praxis, there's the action and the reflection. If we're
>>> done with the action on this one (still want to hear the final ack) then
>>>   a little reflection may be in order until we pick the next small
>>> challenge.
>>>
>>> At the same time we can think about what tools work best to address
>>> these in the future. I didn't see the bug ID come through dev.laptop.org
>>> but I may have missed it. I assume IRC didn't work for Luis either...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Greg S
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:24:27 +0000
>>>> From: luis ACEVEDO <patitoacevedo at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea
>>>>     integrated into global Sugar update [First approach]
>>>> To: <iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org>
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>>>> Hello:
>>>>        My name is Luis Acevedo, live in Santiago, Chile.  I participate actively in the mailing list OLPC-Sur and is closely monitoring the mailing list Sugar Labs. Yesterday in the Sur- List we had a report about  a required feature for Turtle art activity. This is  root square function. Teachers found necessary this function in activities like figure 28 and others from this page http://neoparaiso.com/logo/ejercicios-de-geometria.html
>>>> I suggested to obtain a ticket trac in http://dev.laptop.org/ and to try in the irc channel.
>>>> Is there  a other way like to contact directly the authors? Is this a correct place for this questions?
>>>> I feel it is a first opportunity to move from discussion to action.
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Luis "Pato" Acevedo
>>>> www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com
>>>> www.ucpn.cl
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Lo que hay dentro de ti es lo que cuenta - ?Qu? tipo de atleta eres?
>>
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