[Sugar-devel] Proposal to move communication to other platform
James Cameron
quozl at laptop.org
Wed Mar 4 16:24:38 EST 2020
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 08:02:42PM +0000, Bottersnike wrote:
> >Quassel core is a server that keeps the backlog. I don't need my
> >computer on, and I can view the backlog from any device.
>
> Without being rude, most people don't have a spare server lying
> around they can spin up an IRC backlog on, especially not people
> interested in reading backlogged messages from before they joined
> the IRC for the first time.
We have an instance of Quassel core on sunjammer.sugarlabs.org, but I
don't know who administers it.
Otherwise, there are other people who run an instance, or you can spin
up a VM in the cloud, which most people seem to do these days with
such a wide variety of software available.
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Quassel core is a server that keeps the backlog. I don't need my
> computer on, and I can view the backlog from any device.
>
> Yes, there are better onboarding experiences.
>
> However, if people want to talk with us, they'll know where to find
> us. We're here to get the job done, not provide better experiences
> for developers.
>
> We do still get students who can use IRC, so I know it is not a
> significant hindrance.
>
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:46:10PM +0000, Bottersnike wrote:
> > I think one of the main issues with IRC is the onboarding experience, or
> rather
> > lack thereof. For new users, they're faced with an entirely blank screen,
> with
> > no trivial way to search for past questions, see if a topic has been
> brought up
> > before, or even just read through history to get a general idea of the
> way the
> > organization operates. Sure, there may be archives maintained, but for
> someone
> > who has just discovered SugarLabs and wants to contribute, that really
> isn't
> > going to be a viable solution, because it takes significant effort to
> hunt them
> > down and search through them. For established teams, this isn't much of
> an
> > issue, but it can make SugarLabs an incredibly daunting organization for
> young
> > students from, say GCI, or people looking around at different
> organizations for
> > GSoC.
> >
> > > I use Quassel, as it keeps backlog.
> >
> > Most clients keep a backlog, but only if your computer is on. That's not
> the
> > situation 24/7 for a lot of people.
> >
> > (Sorry for the double message, James. I accidentally used Reply not Reply
> All)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:15 PM James Cameron <[1][2]quozl at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for asking.
> >
> > For real-time presence messaging, please use IRC channel #sugar on
> > [2][3]freenode.net. Your choice of client. I use Quassel, as it
> keeps
> > backlog.
> >
> > For store and forward messaging, please use the mailing list. Your
> > choice of client.
> >
> > You'll get a voice on choice of tools once you've been working with
> us
> > for a few months. Until then we can't trust that you've assessed the
> > situation accurately.
> >
> > Gitter.im was yet another attempt to split our community into the
> > haves and the have-nots. I'm almost ready to ditch my account there
> > because it has way less benefit than the cost. Of receiving a mail
> > notification, logging in, and answering the same old questions. It
> is
> > quite boring. You can see that if you look through the previous
> > discussion, which you'll find was entirely sporadic; someone
> > has a question, I answer, nothing else happens. It could have been
> > done in mail. It costs so much memory and screen real-estate that I
> > can't see myself staying connected. I certainly don't want it
> > promoted for Sugar Labs, but I'm willing to keep it available in case
> > it turns out to be useful for working with anyone who can't figure
> out
> > how to use IRC. We must allow for the possibility that someone with
> a
> > disability has been given access to Gitter.im but not to IRC. So a
> > matter of inclusiveness, but not emphasis.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 08:03:31PM +0530, Prashant Sengar wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am sure this request must have been raised earlier as well. I
> wanted to
> > ask
> > > if Sugar could create a communication channel on another platform
> such as
> > a
> > > discord server, Slack or Telegram instead of IRC to make
> communication
> > easier.
> > >
> > > The reason why others will be a better option:
> > > 1. The chats will be accessible even if I am offline for a while,
> unlike
> > IRC
> > > where I cannot see any earlier data.
> > > 2. IRC cannot be used on mobile devices, so it creates a barrier in
> > > communication. On the other hand, the other chat applications are
> > available on
> > > all platforms for everyone to use.
> > >
> > > I would like to request the team to please consider this request.
> If such
> > > request has been made earlier and denied due to some reasons, then
> I
> > would like
> > > to know them so that I can understand the reasons and work
> accordingly.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > Prashant Sengar
> >
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> [3] http://freenode.net/
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