[Sugar-devel] New Activity Proposal
James Cameron
quozl at laptop.org
Tue Apr 21 21:54:43 EDT 2020
You asked if the sugar-web repository of Sugar Labs should be the same
as that of Lionel, or the files inside Sugarizer.
Yes, that would be ideal. But it is not enough just to change the
files. The activities must use the files and must also work properly
on Sugarizer and Sugar.
You asked what the basis of testing an activity would be. We have a
checklist in our guide to contributing;
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#testing
The environment for testing would be Sugarizer and Sugar. If you have
not yet used and analysed these environments, please do so.
An example of an activity being developed now which has been tested in
both Sugarizer and Sugar, despite not being finished;
https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/pull/784
Please also watch the repositories you mentioned, and review pull
requests.
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#guide-for-reviewers
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:07:56PM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote:
> Hello,
> Sorry for being away for some time from this topic as I was working on an
> activity for sugarizer . Now I have the time to dedicate to this task.
>
> I am still not able to get a crystal clear image of the task. As originally I
> proposed an activity for sugarizer and James suggested that I would be great if
> the activity could work on both sugar and sugarizer which is actually really
> good.
>
> I have two understanding of this task.
> First one : Sugar-web repository of sugar labs is outdated and need to to
> update to the level of sugar-web of sugarizer . OR Is it to update the
> sugar-web of sugarizer to make it compatible with both sugar and sugarizer
> Firstly,
> I can find two sugar-web repositories one of sugar labs ([1]https://github.com/
> sugarlabs/sugar-web) and one of sugarizer([2]https://github.com/llaske/
> sugar-web) . What I understand is to bring the sugar web repository of sugar
> labs to the save level as that of sugarizer . Am I correct?
>
> Secondly, here [3]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/
> web-activity.md to run the basic activity of sugarizer on sugar (ubuntu) it is
> using sugar-web of sugarizer ,which I think should not be the case . We should
> be running it by updating the sugar-web of sugarlabs repository if I am
> not mistaken.
>
> Lastly, what would be the basis to update the sugar-web of sugar labs I mean
> what would be the basis of test?
>
> Thank You
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:30 PM <[4]sugar-devel-request at lists.sugarlabs.org>
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> 1. Re: New Activity Proposal (Lionel Laské)
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> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:46:44 +0200
> From: Lionel Laské <[9]lionel.laske at gmail.com>
> To: Sugar-dev Devel <[10]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activity Proposal
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> Just few elements to give you some context.
>
> Sugarizer was designed initially to host Sugar activities written with
> Sugar-Web. A brief history of Sugarizer is here:
> [12]https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/blob/dev/docs/credits.md
> So the Sugar-Web implementation in Sugarizer was compatible with Sugar.
> It's why today, the activity template to write a new Sugarizer activity (
> [13]https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/tree/dev/activities/
> ActivityTemplate)
> use in Sugarizer Development Tutorial, still include Python stuff.
> Just zip the content of your Sugarizer activities into a .xo file (explain
> here:
> [14]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/web-activity.md
> #ready-to-release)
> and you should be able to install it on Sugar and run it. At least,
> theoretically.
>
> Unfortunately the compatibility between Sugarizer and Sugar-Web was lost
> during the development of Sugarizer. The Sugar-Web implementation in
> Sugarizer was never merged in Sugar-Web, Sugarizer added new features
> (presence, Journal chooser, ...) not directly compatible with Sugar and no
> one worked to maintain the compatibility.
>
> BTW it will be interesting to retrieve this compatibility, even if some
> features are not directly mappable, at least to allow a Sugarizer activity
> to be launched on Sugar and run basic features of the activity.
>
> It's not necessary a very complex task but it require rigor and patience.
> The thread here: [15]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/pull/133
> explain
> the process if you're volunteer to work on this task. Of course, both
> people from the Sugar side and from the Sugarizer side on this list will be
> able to help you.
>
> Regards.
>
> Lionel.
>
> Le mar. 7 avr. 2020 à 15:56, <[16]sugar-devel-request at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> a
> écrit :
>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 13:14:28 +0530
> > From: Abhishek Tanwar <[17]abhishektanwar084 at gmail.com>
> > To: James Cameron <[18]quozl at laptop.org>
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel <[19]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activity Proposal
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > [20]CALhjuuh2VOWxmwB4Nmn9R8fUwOfAASSkSUZfm22Zge6kXhax2A at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > Thanks for the clarification James.
> > What I am not able to understand is that if I make an activity by
> following
> > this [21]https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/blob/master/docs/tutorial.md
> ,
> > how
> > will the activity work in both sugarizer as well as in sugar .
> > I have developed activities for sugarizer earlier and have decent
> > experience in it but I am not sure if I am correctly understanding what
> you
> > are looking for.
> > I have gone through the discussions in
> > [22]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/issues/127 and
> > [23]https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/pull/133 . Sugarizer
> activities use
> > the sugar-web library , I can't find the relevant documentation for
> > developing activities for both sugar and sugarizer, if you could help me
> > with some documentation that would be great.
> >
> > Maybe I am not understanding what you intend to tell. Please let me know
> > what direction to head in.
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:42 AM James Cameron <[24]quozl at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes. Sugar is a Linux environment that can run any language.
> > > Sugarizer is a JavaScript environment inside browser. An activity can
> > > be written to run in both Sugar and Sugarizer. The Sugar Web library
> > > facilitates that. You will have seen the post here earlier about work
> > > on Sugar Web.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 03:19:00AM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote:
> > > > Hello ,
> > > > I did not quite understand everything .
> > > > By saying "include sugar as a platform for sugarizer activity" I did
> > not
> > > > understand what you are trying to say .
> > > > Are you saying to make mancala for both sugar and sugarizer?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 7 Apr, 2020, 3:10 am James Cameron, <[1][25]quozl at laptop.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We have a Sugar activity for Mancala, written in Python.
> > > >
> > > > [2][26]https://github.com/sugarlabs/mancala-activity
> > > >
> > > > License is GPLv3+, but Peter Hewitt has delegated an authority to
> > me
> > > > to relicense his activities as we require. Sugarizer activities
> > use
> > > a
> > > > different license in order to maximise distribution.
> > > >
> > > > Please do include Sugar as a platform for your JavaScript
> activity.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 02:11:21AM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been searching for games that could help the children to
> > > develop
> > > > their
> > > > > brains and work in teams as well to incorporate the values of a
> > > good team
> > > > > player.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mancala(or Mangala) is one such game that I came
> > > across. [1]https://
> > > > > [3][27]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> > > > > [2][4][28]https://mancala.playdrift.com/
> > > > > Mancala on sugarizer can be played between computer vs player ,
> > > player vs
> > > > > player (offline ),player vs player (online using presence).
> > > > > I think this could be a good addition to sugarizer for children
> > of
> > > age 6
> > > > and
> > > > > above.
> > > > > I want to make this game for sugarizer and would like the
> > > community to
> > > > share
> > > > > feedback on this if it would be good addition.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank You
> > > > >
> > > > > References:
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] [5][29]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> > > > > [2] [6][30]https://mancala.playdrift.com/
> > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > James Cameron
> > > > [9][33]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >
> > > > References:
> > > >
> > > > [1] mailto:[34]quozl at laptop.org
> > > > [2] [35]https://github.com/sugarlabs/mancala-activity
> > > > [3] [36]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> > > > [4] [37]https://mancala.playdrift.com/
> > > > [5] [38]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> > > > [6] [39]https://mancala.playdrift.com/
> > > > [7] mailto:[40]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > [8] [41]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > > [9] [42]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Cameron
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> [12] https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/blob/dev/docs/credits.md
> [13] https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/tree/dev/activities/ActivityTemplate
> [14] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/web-activity.md#ready-to-release
> [15] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/pull/133
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> [22] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/issues/127
> [23] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/pull/133
> [24] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [25] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> [26] https://github.com/sugarlabs/mancala-activity
> [27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> [28] https://mancala.playdrift.com/
> [29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> [30] https://mancala.playdrift.com/
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> [35] https://github.com/sugarlabs/mancala-activity
> [36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> [37] https://mancala.playdrift.com/
> [38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancala
> [39] https://mancala.playdrift.com/
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